OLEV Charger Installation down to £350 from 1/4/20

[Frimley111R]

FYI. More people benefit but to a lesser degree. Applies to workplaces too.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/update-on-the-i...

[Olas]

how much pollution do our coal fired power plants have to emit to provide the electricity you need to get 250 miles range?

[Willow1212]

Olas said:

how much pollution do our coal fired power plants have to emit to provide the electricity you need to get 250 miles range?

Have some schools shut already?

[kambites]

With the intention to ban ICE five years sooner than previously, it would seem that the government are largely giving up on the carrot and getting a bigger stick when it comes to EVs.

[sjg]

The problem is that all these schemes have a fixed pot of money - so as more people want to use it they can either keep it the same but run out of money, or lower the amount and more people benefit.

Good news that larger electric motorcycles can now benefit.

[Witchfinder]

Olas said:

how much pollution do our coal fired power plants have to emit to provide the electricity you need to get 250 miles range?

How many coal powerplants are there in Britain, and how much of our power do they produce? We can make a calculation together.

[jamiehamy]

Olas said:

how much pollution do our coal fired power plants have to emit to provide the electricity you need to get 250 miles range?

Pretty much none. The UK recently went 56 days without burning coal. Even when there is no wind, it rarely ever contributed more than 5% of the energy mix. So even if you want to be really pessimistic, the question I don't have the answer to is - how much did coal emit to provide you with that 12.5miles of range?

[Boxbrownie]

Willow1212 said:

Olas said:

how much pollution do our coal fired power plants have to emit to provide the electricity you need to get 250 miles range?

Have some schools shut already?

Brilliant.....very good

[Boxbrownie]

Frimley111R said:

FYI. More people benefit but to a lesser degree. Applies to workplaces too.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/update-on-the-i...

And on the plus side, the luxury 40K RFL tax has been lifted on EVs.

[aestetix1]

Witchfinder said:

How many coal powerplants are there in Britain, and how much of our power do they produce? We can make a calculation together.

You don't have to buy coal power if you don't want to, plenty of suppliers offer ethical tariffs that only use renewable sources.

[A900ss]

aestetix1 said:

Witchfinder said:

How many coal powerplants are there in Britain, and how much of our power do they produce? We can make a calculation together.

You don't have to buy coal power if you don't want to, plenty of suppliers offer ethical tariffs that only use renewable sources.

If you use the national grid you WILL be using coal power. Admittedly, it’s a very small amount nowadays but the grid doesn’t distinguish where the power comes from regardless of what your energy supplier may infer.

I use Octopus as my energy supplier for my EV but I’m under no illusion that coal is powering my car occasionally.

[anonymous-user]

IS the cut of the installation date or the order date?

[Dave Hedgehog]

A900ss said:

If you use the national grid you WILL be using coal power. Admittedly, it’s a very small amount nowadays but the grid doesn’t distinguish where the power comes from regardless of what your energy supplier may infer.

I use Octopus as my energy supplier for my EV but I’m under no illusion that coal is powering my car occasionally.

it never does

there is market where all the power producers sell the electrons they make to the retailers, the price varies based on the cost of the source and demand over the day. Octopus only bid on renewable suppliers

Renewable sources: Anaerobic digestion, solar, wind, hydro

[A900ss]

Dave Hedgehog said:

A900ss said:

If you use the national grid you WILL be using coal power. Admittedly, it’s a very small amount nowadays but the grid doesn’t distinguish where the power comes from regardless of what your energy supplier may infer.

I use Octopus as my energy supplier for my EV but I’m under no illusion that coal is powering my car occasionally.

it never does

there is market where all the power producers sell the electrons they make to the retailers, the price varies based on the cost of the source and demand over the day. Octopus only bid on renewable suppliers

Renewable sources: Anaerobic digestion, solar, wind, hydro

Sorry to disappoint you Dave but just because Octopus only add Renewables to the grid, it doesn’t mean the energy you get to your home is only from Renewables. You use whatever mix the grid is supplying which may include coal.

Read the section on Octopus’s own website, "How does the renewable energy supply chain work?’ a few paragraphs down on this page.


https://octopus.energy/renewables/

[Frimley111R]

Sambucket said:

IS the cut of the installation date or the order date?

Installation date, so many installers will have customers who have paid already but who they will have to call to ask for another £150. Nationally that will be thousands of people. As an installer too, we only found out from a FB group!

[aestetix1]

A900ss said:

Sorry to disappoint you Dave but just because Octopus only add Renewables to the grid, it doesn’t mean the energy you get to your home is only from Renewables. You use whatever mix the grid is supplying which may include coal.

Read the section on Octopus’s own website, "How does the renewable energy supply chain work?’ a few paragraphs down on this page.


https://octopus.energy/renewables/

Amazing how many people don't understand the basics of electricity or how supply works. It's all around us, powers so much of our lives, and yet most people don't even grasp the most basic concepts.

It's a bit like water. If you take water out of the system you are obliged to put some back in elsewhere to maintain pressure. In practice most people pay someone else to put in water for them. They have a choice, they can go with the lowest cost, a guy who unzips his fly and relieves himself in the local reservoir, or they can pay someone to put nice clean water in.

The actual molecules of water that comes out of your tap aren't important, what matters is if the person you pay to top the system up is polluting or not.

Same with electricity. The electrons don't matter, what matters is how much pollution and CO2 is generated to offset the load you place on the grid.

[Somebody]

Frimley111R said:

Installation date, so many installers will have customers who have paid already but who they will have to call to ask for another £150.

I would never pay upfront, same as I wouldn't pay in advance to any tradesman.

[Uncle boshy]

According to the national grid, approx 3% of electricity in h2 of 2019 in the uk came from coal, but in total around 50% comes from fossil fuels.

[jms1]

They’re all inflating the installation costs to take account of the OLEV grant. I bought my EO mini for £300 and it was £150 to fit by a competent electrician. An EV installer wanted £570 fitted (including £500 OLEV grant) so £1070 total!

Admittedly this was to fit a Mini pro (vs non-smart Mini) bit still how do you explain the huge price differential? It seems as though the installers are just cashing in.

Will be interesting to see if they reduce their margins or rip the consumer off even more.

[anonymous-user]

jms1 said:

They’re all inflating the installation costs to take account of the OLEV grant. I bought my EO mini for £300 and it was £150 to fit by a competent electrician. An EV installer wanted £570 fitted (including £500 OLEV grant) so £1070 total!

Admittedly this was to fit a Mini pro (vs non-smart Mini) bit still how do you explain the huge price differential? It seems as though the installers are just cashing in.

Will be interesting to see if they reduce their margins or rip the consumer off even more.

Where did you get the mini? I’d be interested in going that way.

I have been puzzled by the seemingly high prices, taking the grant into the equation. £1000 + seems excessive.