J class crash Antigua
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Prior to the race start Svea rose over the stern of Topaz and both have retired.
Prior to the race start Svea rose over the stern of Topaz and both have retired.
Tyre Smoke said:
Why did everyone on the boat filming rush below decks?
Nasty incident, but no immediate danger to the yacht filming.
Possibly guests on board and they may need to do an emergency tack or gybe to avoid the boat that has had the collision as they appeared to be closing so avoiding injury for non essential crew? Nasty incident, but no immediate danger to the yacht filming.
ecsrobin said:
Possibly guests on board and they may need to do an emergency tack or gybe to avoid the boat that has had the collision as they appeared to be closing so avoiding injury for non essential crew?
I thought they were concerned about the risk of a rig coming down.Inexcuseable.
Riley Blue said:
As a landlubber, who was in the wrong?
As a general rule (but not always, esp. when racing) the boat on starboard tack, i.e., with the wind on its starboard side is the stand-on vessel when faced with a boat on port tack. In this case the boat on port tack was the one that went over the top and should instead have given way.Without using boat language:
The boat coming from the left was in the wrong. Boats don’t have brakes and cannot slow easily, so what it should have done is steered a bit to the right to miss the other boat.
To steer to the right, it would need to turn the wheel to the right, and at the same time release the rope that was holding its big sail tight. If there was a problem releasing the load on that rope, the boat would not steer to the right regardless of how the wheel was moved.
In boat language:
The give way boat is the one on port tack. It should have born away and ducked the stand-on boat’s stern. The helmsman should have put the helm up and eased the mainsheet. If there was a problem easing the mainsheet, he was stuffed.
Amazing no one was seriously hurt or worse.
Actually looking again they did ease the mainsheet as the main was luffing prior to impact.
The helm would not have seen the looming collision because the foresail was in the way. Failure of the crew looking out.
Although it looks like the boat on port was in the wrong, the boat on starboard headed up before the incident which didn't help the situation. If it had bourne away the likelihood of the crash would have been minimised.
You can see the boat on port's mainsail was flapping so the helm was likely trying to duck below the starboard boat, and wouldn't have been restricted by a tight main.
Looks like a combined effort to cock it up between a very tight cross and the starboard boat not holding its course/ not turning towards the port tacker to avoid the crash. (Doesn't matter whose got right of way at that point, 1st rule is to avoid collision)
Guests on Valsheda were sent down below incase of rig failure on the port tacker.
Amazing that there were no serious injuries.
Very impressive flip by the chap on the starboard tacker.
You can see the boat on port's mainsail was flapping so the helm was likely trying to duck below the starboard boat, and wouldn't have been restricted by a tight main.
Looks like a combined effort to cock it up between a very tight cross and the starboard boat not holding its course/ not turning towards the port tacker to avoid the crash. (Doesn't matter whose got right of way at that point, 1st rule is to avoid collision)
Guests on Valsheda were sent down below incase of rig failure on the port tacker.
Amazing that there were no serious injuries.
Very impressive flip by the chap on the starboard tacker.
Ayahuasca said:
Without using boat language:
The boat coming from the left was in the wrong. Boats don’t have brakes and cannot slow easily, so what it should have done is steered a bit to the right to miss the other boat.
To steer to the right, it would need to turn the wheel to the right, and at the same time release the rope that was holding its big sail tight. If there was a problem releasing the load on that rope, the boat would not steer to the right regardless of how the wheel was moved.
In boat language:
The give way boat is the one on port tack. It should have born away and ducked the stand-on boat’s stern. The helmsman should have put the helm up and eased the mainsheet. If there was a problem easing the mainsheet, he was stuffed.
Amazing no one was seriously hurt or worse.
Actually looking again they did ease the mainsheet as the main was luffing prior to impact.
The helm would not have seen the looming collision because the foresail was in the way. Failure of the crew looking out.
Thanks. The boat coming from the left was in the wrong. Boats don’t have brakes and cannot slow easily, so what it should have done is steered a bit to the right to miss the other boat.
To steer to the right, it would need to turn the wheel to the right, and at the same time release the rope that was holding its big sail tight. If there was a problem releasing the load on that rope, the boat would not steer to the right regardless of how the wheel was moved.
In boat language:
The give way boat is the one on port tack. It should have born away and ducked the stand-on boat’s stern. The helmsman should have put the helm up and eased the mainsheet. If there was a problem easing the mainsheet, he was stuffed.
Amazing no one was seriously hurt or worse.
Actually looking again they did ease the mainsheet as the main was luffing prior to impact.
The helm would not have seen the looming collision because the foresail was in the way. Failure of the crew looking out.
On the camera boat there's a crewman indicating with his left arm. Does that mean to his helmsman 'turn to port'? Doing so would have narrowed the gap between that boat and the one that rode over the other. I was wondering if the helmsman of the 'naughty boat' saw the indication and thought it better to steer straight ahead - purely my supposition, it all looks a very frantic situation in crowded waters.
w1bbles said:
As a general rule (but not always, esp. when racing) the boat on starboard tack, i.e., with the wind on its starboard side is the stand-on vessel when faced with a boat on port tack. In this case the boat on port tack was the one that went over the top and should instead have given way.
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