New ish Biker - Helmet Buffeting
Discussion
I've been googling but as always googling for a problem makes it seem like everyone has it.
Duke 690 only been riding it for 2 months when we get decent days and many have been a bit windy but my helmet being buffeted about is really ruining the ride
The bike came with a large "chinese" screen, I swapped it for the small KTM one and it seemed better, I recently tried without any screen and it seems no different.
I have a dual sport helmet (LS2 Pioneer) which I don't think is helping although all the reviews were really positive, I have tried removing the peak - no change
It's not there all the time and only above 50mph
Is it a case of waiting for summer, changing helmets, trying different screens...
Duke 690 only been riding it for 2 months when we get decent days and many have been a bit windy but my helmet being buffeted about is really ruining the ride
The bike came with a large "chinese" screen, I swapped it for the small KTM one and it seemed better, I recently tried without any screen and it seems no different.
I have a dual sport helmet (LS2 Pioneer) which I don't think is helping although all the reviews were really positive, I have tried removing the peak - no change
It's not there all the time and only above 50mph
Is it a case of waiting for summer, changing helmets, trying different screens...
Defo try a different helmet. I only ride naked bikes these days. Some are definitely better than others with regard to aerodynamics. Some screens on bikes can make it worse depending on your height.
Most manufacturers do a few helmets specifically for naked bikes and/or tourers, I would try one of those.
I wear a Shark Evo-One mostly, its more of a touring helmet, pretty good well into 3 figures although not as quiet/buffeting free as my full face Shark Race-R Pro.
Most manufacturers do a few helmets specifically for naked bikes and/or tourers, I would try one of those.
I wear a Shark Evo-One mostly, its more of a touring helmet, pretty good well into 3 figures although not as quiet/buffeting free as my full face Shark Race-R Pro.
V8RX7 said:
...changing helmets, trying different screens...
bit of column A; bit of column B..but start with column B. Taller screen, shorter screen, screen with lip/recurve, deeper screen etc. And option C junking the screen all together. [airplane]JUNKING THE SCREEN[/airplane]. If you're saying it's not always there above 50 then probably made worse in a side-wind, at least when I've had buffeting it's often been fine in a calm day or direct head/tail wind, but worse in a sidewind. I solved the buffeting on my [very different] bike with a different screen and lower wind deflectors, but I'm surprised in this day and age with computers and wind tunnels the manufacturers themselves can't hack the issue on new bikes, potentially offering non-buffeting screen choices for normal riders, shortasses and lanky folks.tvrolet said:
, but I'm surprised in this day and age with computers and wind tunnels the manufacturers themselves can't hack the issue on new bikes, potentially offering non-buffeting screen choices for normal riders, shortasses and lanky folks.
Unfortunately, I don't think the bike manufacturers have the budget to do that kind of CFD. When I was involved, a small amount of CFD was done on engine cooling (because the flow was consistent, no rider ergos to consider) but screens were styled, and then test ridden by a variety of riders. Often the stylist would win out over the rider feedback (think original Tiger 800, I have never heard a good comment about that screen)I ride mainly naked bikes, and found my Bell helmet to be pretty good for buffeting. Then switched to an AGV which is just bloody amazing!
Not sure if it's the little wing on the back (Corsa/Pista) plus also the low weight, but I find it really good on a bike with no screen. Especially when looking behind you, no drag whatsoever.
Not sure if it's the little wing on the back (Corsa/Pista) plus also the low weight, but I find it really good on a bike with no screen. Especially when looking behind you, no drag whatsoever.
leighz said:
think the buffeting is exacerbated by air moving up under the chin piece - recommend trying a bunched up buff or similar around your neck or one of those wind skirt thingies you attach to the bottom of the helmet. Worth a try before you spend on a new lid
This makes an enormous difference to me. I stuff something in to fill the void completely if on a significant journey.Its an expensive helmet but I was astounded by the stability of a Shoei X Spirit 3.
It was night and day vs the other lids I have had. The first few rides with it I ended up going a lot faster than usual just because I wasn't getting the airflow speed ques I had got used to with other lids.
Seems to be equally good on naked or faired machines.
It was night and day vs the other lids I have had. The first few rides with it I ended up going a lot faster than usual just because I wasn't getting the airflow speed ques I had got used to with other lids.
Seems to be equally good on naked or faired machines.
When I first got my 916, I got terrible buffeting at speed that would give me a stiff neck unless really tucked down on the tank and then I couldn't see ahead properly.
I bought a higher (but not by much) screen and it made a world of difference, I guess the original screen probably works OK for your typical 'racing snake' 9st rider...
I bought a higher (but not by much) screen and it made a world of difference, I guess the original screen probably works OK for your typical 'racing snake' 9st rider...
Try experimenting with strips of plastic and tank tape before spending money; finding a screen that works for you appears to vary hugely from rider to rider. Off-road/adventure helmets are designed to flow lots of air at lowish speeds - generally not the ride thing for road riding.
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Is that you have been riding for 2 months ( newish biker) or had the bike for two months?
If it is the former could it be your perception of what you think it should be like balanced against what it is really like driving a metal block against a wall of air. I have a certain jacket that I know is poorly tailored and the loose material flapping above a certain three figure lepton speed makes my eyes bleed
That's buffering!. If it is the later change something
If it is the former could it be your perception of what you think it should be like balanced against what it is really like driving a metal block against a wall of air. I have a certain jacket that I know is poorly tailored and the loose material flapping above a certain three figure lepton speed makes my eyes bleed
That's buffering!. If it is the later change something
Thanks for all the replies I have only been using my dirt bike prior to this and we rarely go above 55 on nobblies and I've never had a problem.
I've asked similar on a KTM 690 forum and it doesn't seem widespread so I guess the helmet is the likely suspect.
Obviously I can't test them before buying... Or can I ?
Will pop to Bikers World at the weekend.
I've asked similar on a KTM 690 forum and it doesn't seem widespread so I guess the helmet is the likely suspect.
Obviously I can't test them before buying... Or can I ?
Will pop to Bikers World at the weekend.
Salted_Peanut said:
How quiet is the X Spirit?
If I can ever afford one!
I find it really quiet.If I can ever afford one!
In fact the first time I wore it I thought the engine had cut out when I rolled off from, let’s say, higher speed coming into a 30 limit.
Keep an eye on the sales, there are deals to be had.
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