Normal jobs with good benefits
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The corona virus outbreak I'm sure has given us all a different perspective on what's important in life, and things we take for granted.
One thing that has really stood out for me is how rubbish some peoples employers have been about the whole thing, mine included.
It got me thinking, there used to be jobs like Postman, or working for the council etc, whiich were jobs for life, reasonable money for what you are expected to do.
Flexitime, pension percentage contribution, holiday and sick pay, how stable the company is, all can take a back seat when going for a job if the headline salary figure is okay, but these are all very important.
So are there any normal jobs out there these days with good benefits, or is this a thing of the past? By normal, I mean probably around the national average salary or maybe even below.
I have a friend who is a HGV driver for tesco who has a very good overall employment package, but I can't think of many other people in my family or circle of friends.
One thing that has really stood out for me is how rubbish some peoples employers have been about the whole thing, mine included.
It got me thinking, there used to be jobs like Postman, or working for the council etc, whiich were jobs for life, reasonable money for what you are expected to do.
Flexitime, pension percentage contribution, holiday and sick pay, how stable the company is, all can take a back seat when going for a job if the headline salary figure is okay, but these are all very important.
So are there any normal jobs out there these days with good benefits, or is this a thing of the past? By normal, I mean probably around the national average salary or maybe even below.
I have a friend who is a HGV driver for tesco who has a very good overall employment package, but I can't think of many other people in my family or circle of friends.
Compared to a lot of real world jobs, public sector have it pretty good. I know the likes of nurses, police and prison officers do a lot of amazing work for not very much money, but the jobs are as steady and stable as they get, holiday and pension generous and if you're off sick or need support I'd wager they would be more accommodating than your average employer.
When I've been permanently employed in engineering before, Its usually been minumum or slightly above for holidays, minimum pension contribution, no understanding for personal issues or time off, no sick pay, no bonus, clauses in the contract saying they can send you home unpaid if the work dries up...
When I've been permanently employed in engineering before, Its usually been minumum or slightly above for holidays, minimum pension contribution, no understanding for personal issues or time off, no sick pay, no bonus, clauses in the contract saying they can send you home unpaid if the work dries up...
You either need to work in industry where skills are in high demand or a company which offers particularly good benefits.
For example, I work in IT and don't think I've ever had a jobs which didn't pay full salary for six months sickness. When you compare that to Statutory Sick Pay of £94 per day, sorry PER WEEK, you realise what a massive benefit that is.
Similarly, I worked for a large building society (the world's largest in fact) who pay in 16% to your pension when you contribute 7%.
For example, I work in IT and don't think I've ever had a jobs which didn't pay full salary for six months sickness. When you compare that to Statutory Sick Pay of £94 per day, sorry PER WEEK, you realise what a massive benefit that is.
Similarly, I worked for a large building society (the world's largest in fact) who pay in 16% to your pension when you contribute 7%.
Glassdoor is a good indicator, I went for a job after being made redundant a couple of years back with a company on Trafford park and their reviews were awful, I raised it at interview and they said the reviews were mainly from call centre staff who get treated markedly differently to the IT and other functions, huge turnover and they have to be pretty brutal he said as so many take the piss.
LimaDelta said:
Anything public sector?
Largely long gone what with outsourcing and austerity putting a moratorium on recruitment and on pay rises. Tons of work is done with agency staff. Being low down the totem pole working in the public sector these days is an insecure and fairly miserable experience.
For more skilled people there were short term contracts (but HMRC single-handedly f
ked up the entire market when it started playing silly buggers with IR35 a few years ago). psi310398 said:
LimaDelta said:
Anything public sector?
Largely long gone what with outsourcing and austerity putting a moratorium on recruitment and on pay rises. Tons of work is done with agency staff. Being low down the totem pole working in the public sector these days is an insecure and fairly miserable experience.
For more skilled people there were short term contracts (but HMRC single-handedly f
ked up the entire market when it started playing silly buggers with IR35 a few years ago). I'm sure certain parts of the sector have a lot of temps but there are definitely parts that don't. Best (and most common) method of securing a job people enjoy, is to get foot in the door doing anything and then keep moving internally. There tend to be more vacancies available for internal only candidates because they have to keep headcount down.
J4CKO said:
Glassdoor is a good indicator, I went for a job after being made redundant a couple of years back with a company on Trafford park and their reviews were awful, I raised it at interview and they said the reviews were mainly from call centre staff who get treated markedly differently to the IT and other functions, huge turnover and they have to be pretty brutal he said as so many take the piss.
I think I know which company you're referring to as I raised the same issue at an interview there a few years ago.Turned out the turnover in the IT department was pretty substantial too.
Mate in Department for Transport (South Wales) is on mid £30k but with very flexible working and something like 20% pension contributions. He was on a lot more money than in London, and travelling to exclusive events, but it was a pressure-cooker of a job.
Seems pretty buckshee to me.
Seems pretty buckshee to me.
Friend of my Mrs is a prison officer, and because she has bad asthma is deemed high risk and is off for 12 weeks on full pay.
Not the best of jobs sometimes when people are throwing piss, st and spunk at her but being public sector they look after you in other ways.
Think I'd rather be off unpaid than be there at all but there we are.
Not the best of jobs sometimes when people are throwing piss, s
t and spunk at her but being public sector they look after you in other ways. Think I'd rather be off unpaid than be there at all but there we are.
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