Eurocarparks cryptic message
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To be fair, they did respond to my email quickly - two or so days.
They have taken over our local town centre car park, where as previously pay and display many of us would drive in, drop off the passengers and come home. Back later to pick them up.
I asked Euro if this was still allowed (dropping off passengers) as the whole thing took 2-3 minutes at most but they are now filming the plates of drivers on entry and leaving.
They said they have to abide by the law which allows ten or so minutes to find a space ....but then add.....'it is therefore unlikely you will get a fine'
Would you risk finding out how unlikely unlikely is?
They have taken over our local town centre car park, where as previously pay and display many of us would drive in, drop off the passengers and come home. Back later to pick them up.
I asked Euro if this was still allowed (dropping off passengers) as the whole thing took 2-3 minutes at most but they are now filming the plates of drivers on entry and leaving.
They said they have to abide by the law which allows ten or so minutes to find a space ....but then add.....'it is therefore unlikely you will get a fine'
Would you risk finding out how unlikely unlikely is?
MB140 said:
I’m hoping it was an email response stating by law you have 10 minutes. If so keep the email.
If they then fine you in the future I would send them a copy of that email.
Of course don’t stay over 10 minutes though or they have you bang to rights.
According to what the OP has been told, the 10 minute law is for finding a space - Not up to 10 minutes to do what you want for free:If they then fine you in the future I would send them a copy of that email.
Of course don’t stay over 10 minutes though or they have you bang to rights.
jondude said:
.......They said they have to abide by the law which allows ten or so minutes to find a space ....but then add.....'it is therefore unlikely you will get a fine'.....
If the parking operator can show that there was a space/multiple spaces available at the time the vehicle entered the car park , then they can show that the OP should have paid for a ticket, and the fine should stand.4rephill said:
If the parking operator can show that there was a space/multiple spaces available at the time the vehicle entered the car park , then they can show that the OP should have paid for a ticket, and the fine should stand.
But he was clear when he E mailed them. He questioned dropping off, not parking. So why should the issue of free spaces matter.If this helps
If it is ANPR
1) passing a camera that takes a picture of your VRN doesnt NOT constitute parking this has been proved in court
2) The latest guidelines by the BPA says that the PPC must allow ( or it may be should,..not sure) a 10 grace period after the expiry time on a ticket this really appiies in manned car parks where a ticket is slapped on the windscreen
As stated above ANPR does not and cannot determine the amount of time a car is parked unless every inch of the car park is covered by cameras. After all you could have been waiting to a) find a space during busy periods and b) waited in a queue to get out ( anyone been to the O2?
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3) In order to send you an invoice there has to be a contract established and agreed by both parties ( some notices have them in very small print that say by the action of parking you have agreed), BUT until you have READ the T+C you have agreed nothing.
Stupid example to make it simple You drive in, and being a bit of a stickler for T+C you read them. In the small print it says if you overstay apart from the 100.00 charge we reserve the right to buy your car for £1.00. You reject the contract and drive out. at once They cannot invoice you, they have to allow you time (This10 mins) to accept them
4) a lot of parking notices say things like No stopping or parking,or permit holders only . These in effect are' forbidding' and in effect the PPC cannot send you an invoice for parking as they do not offer you anything. In effect only the landowner can sue for trespass. BUT there has been one judge recently who has sided with the PPC by ruling that just by passing such a 'forbidding' sign you have agreed. I think this was at an airport ,and the driver stopped for 8 secs It is on pepipoo should anyone wish to look it up
If it is ANPR
1) passing a camera that takes a picture of your VRN doesnt NOT constitute parking this has been proved in court
2) The latest guidelines by the BPA says that the PPC must allow ( or it may be should,..not sure) a 10 grace period after the expiry time on a ticket this really appiies in manned car parks where a ticket is slapped on the windscreen
As stated above ANPR does not and cannot determine the amount of time a car is parked unless every inch of the car park is covered by cameras. After all you could have been waiting to a) find a space during busy periods and b) waited in a queue to get out ( anyone been to the O2?
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3) In order to send you an invoice there has to be a contract established and agreed by both parties ( some notices have them in very small print that say by the action of parking you have agreed), BUT until you have READ the T+C you have agreed nothing.
Stupid example to make it simple You drive in, and being a bit of a stickler for T+C you read them. In the small print it says if you overstay apart from the 100.00 charge we reserve the right to buy your car for £1.00. You reject the contract and drive out. at once They cannot invoice you, they have to allow you time (This10 mins) to accept them
4) a lot of parking notices say things like No stopping or parking,or permit holders only . These in effect are' forbidding' and in effect the PPC cannot send you an invoice for parking as they do not offer you anything. In effect only the landowner can sue for trespass. BUT there has been one judge recently who has sided with the PPC by ruling that just by passing such a 'forbidding' sign you have agreed. I think this was at an airport ,and the driver stopped for 8 secs It is on pepipoo should anyone wish to look it up
kowalski655 said:
You stopped to check the terms,did not agree,so drove out.
The fact your passenger got out when you stopped is irrelevant
KowalskiThe fact your passenger got out when you stopped is irrelevant
Try doing that on a few airport roads, the buggers get you there. I think East Midlands has a PPC at a service station watching to see that the number of people getting in/out of cars going to the cashdesk is the same number as getting out/in!!
Mind you if you do pick up a mate on an Airport road, look out for those bloody vans that are ll over the place. If you do get an invoice for stopping for 15 secs to let a mate in/out, you can have fun as ot is a road that is Covered by the RTA and is also specified as non relavent land and the RK cannot be held liable. the airport by laws also need to be considered;
This is a nice one on pepioo at the moment. look at the legal loopholes you could use
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=1328...
Yeah I know, airports are buggers but I try to stay far away from them after once driving the wrong way & ended in a car park(typical s
t Scottish road signage) & had to go all the way through. Luckily I was able to talk to someone at the exit barrier & didnt end up paying £5 for 2 minutes
This car park wiill be fine for that argument though
t Scottish road signage) & had to go all the way through. Luckily I was able to talk to someone at the exit barrier & didnt end up paying £5 for 2 minutesThis car park wiill be fine for that argument though
sociopath said:
Can you not drop off without going into the car park? It's there to enable people to park, not for people to block it while they let their family out so they don't have to pay.
The location means so much, especially as there are many elderly in this area.Not sure it was designed so but the area used for dropping off had a layby feel (extra space) to it and when stopped there it really did not cause anyone to be blocked. Lots of pensioners in the town and being dropped off here meant they were literally 20 yards from the heart of the town and shops.
What was also happening a lot was people would drop folk off as the car park was full (but take advantage of its location) and then find somewhere else to park if possible.
Thanks to all who have replied.
jonjude
This may be teaching how to suck eggs ,but you can legally stop on SYL and DYL to allow boarding and alighting. The exemptions go even further that a car can be left unattended for a short period if the person being collected is vunerable or needs assistance
The bad news is Traffic wardens dont know that
This may be teaching how to suck eggs ,but you can legally stop on SYL and DYL to allow boarding and alighting. The exemptions go even further that a car can be left unattended for a short period if the person being collected is vunerable or needs assistance
The bad news is Traffic wardens dont know that
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