Climate Change... u wot m8?

[JaredVannett]

I'm sure you've all seen the graphic below regarding the stark change in NO2 emissions in China since COVID-19:




No doubt emissions all over the globe have dropped with this lockdown.

This got me thinking... it's a great starting point for the world as a whole to really push into renewables etc going forward.

However, it's not going to happen, is it?

With economies decimated from the outbreak/lockdowns, governments will be throwing everything to get things back to how things were.

Take for example airlines, are governments seriously going to add/increase carbon levies on the wrecked aviation sector?

Cheap oil is being stockpiled, VLCC (tankers) are in high demand right now shipping oil.


1. Greta might be smiling but will it be short-lived?
2. Could 2020 be the decade where "climate change" government policy takes a back seat?

Counter arguments:
1. The worldwide lockdown will provide a negative offset in global emissions which will be netted once everything is back up and running (so no change).
2. Working from home becomes much more popular (think of lockdown as a WFH trial) which equates to less commuting traffic.


Let me know your thoughts

[Dont Panic]

JaredVannett said:

I'm sure you've all seen the graphic below regarding the stark change in NO2 emissions in China since COVID-19:





No doubt emissions all over the globe have dropped with this lockdown.

Thats a good thing, its a pity the agw hot air emissions havent tailed off so rapidly though!

JaredVannett said:

This got me thinking... it's a great starting point for the world as a whole to really push into renewables etc going forward.

However, it's not going to happen, is it?

No. If renewables were the be all and end all then Id be happy to see that happen but theyre not and it wont.

JaredVannett said:

With economies decimated from the outbreak/lockdowns, governments will be throwing everything to get things back to how things were.

I think youre right and I cant help thinking itll be a shame to just go right back where we were a few weeks ago.
If this epidemic has shown anything its just how vulnerable societies are to outside infections, ( and by extension their economies) mainly because of all the unnecessary air travel thats been a hallmark of modern civilisation.
Has it really been necessary for people to just hop on a plane and go backpacking in NZ etc just because?
Things need a rethink to my mind.

JaredVannett said:

Take for example airlines, are governments seriously going to add/increase carbon levies on the wrecked aviation sector?

I dont think they will and if they did lowering carbon dioxide emissions would be for the wrong reasons, Id say it should be for the conservation of resources rather than carbon claptrap.

JaredVannett said:

Cheap oil is being stockpiled, VLCC (tankers) are in high demand right now shipping oil.

No doubt at all.

JaredVannett said:

1. Greta might be smiling but will it be short-lived?

I hope so in one way just to see her smug entitled grin wiped off.

JaredVannett said:

2. Could 2020 be the decade where "climate change" government policy takes a back seat?

Itd be high time for it, theres been entirely too much focus on a none issue.

JaredVannett said:

Counter arguments:
1. The worldwide lockdown will provide a negative offset in global emissions which will be netted once everything is back up and running (so no change).
2. Working from home becomes much more popular (think of lockdown as a WFH trial) which equates to less commuting traffic.


Let me know your thoughts

Itd be beneficial in terms of less congestion if workers who didnt need to physically be at a place of work could do it from home, itd create a drop in non essential travel.

I also reckon there should be a greater push towards automation, ie robots doing most all the tasks we hate and who do it better.
There has to be a different way of doing things, what we've seen for some years now in terms of consumption is just excessive.

[jurbie]

It's an interesting situation because it shows just what people are prepared to put up with when faced with an actual real emergency. It's easy to give lip service to the need to do all we can to prevent the climate crisis so shall we continue with lockdown once the virus is dealt with? No I didn't thinks so.

The green agenda will be well on the back burner after this, any subsidies the government will be giving out will have to go to rebuild the productive bits of the economy. The nice to have bits will just have to wait.

[Blakewater]

With people desperate to get back to work, protect their livelihoods and rekindle some sort of normality, I doubt Extinction Rebellion protesters blocking roads will be tolerated as much as they were before all this. However, they're insisting there will be some huge societal change in their favour.

[glazbagun]

JaredVannett said:

I'm sure you've all seen the graphic below regarding the stark change in NO2 emissions in China since COVID-19:




No doubt emissions all over the globe have dropped with this lockdown.

No doubt, however your image shows Nitrogen Dioxide emissions, which are a pollutant, but not a greenhouse gas like Carbon Dioxide or Methane.

Don't Panic hasn't picked you up on that because, unlike Turbobloke, he doesn't even understand his own arguments.

RE: your question, I'm not optimistic. Had this happened pre '08 crash & facebook/twitter, I could definitely see world leaders forming a consensus and prioritising clean energy in the first world.

In this political climate where nations are blocking each others attempts to gain protective clothing for their nurses and threatening tarrifs for anything, I think the temptation to go back to burning as much cheap oil as possible will return with a vengeance.

Edited by glazbagun on Saturday 4th April 17:56

[Dont Panic]

glazbagun said:

No doubt, however your image shows Nitrogen Dioxide emissions, which are a pollutant, but not a greenhouse gas like Carbon Dioxide or Methane.

Don't Panic hasn't picked you up on that because, unlike Turbobloke, he doesn't even understand his own arguments.

I didnt think he needed "picking up " on it as the graphics prominently labelled as NO2.

Fortunately in early life I learned to do something called reading, try it.

[glazbagun]

Dont Panic said:

I didnt think he needed "picking up " on it as the graphics prominently labelled as NO2.

Fortunately in early life I learned to do something called reading, try it.

I Do, thanks. I read this when you were spamming another thread and it taught me all I needed to know:

Dont Panic said:

How does c02 heat the dark side of any planet?
You do know it gets cold at night......

[Derek Smith]

During the grounding of all aircraft following the attack on the twin towers, the temprature in the USA increased. The suggestion was that the lack of contrails was the cause.

If that's true, we're in for a hot summer.

[Dont Panic]

glazbagun said:

Dont Panic said:

I didnt think he needed "picking up " on it as the graphics prominently labelled as NO2.

Fortunately in early life I learned to do something called reading, try it.

I Do, thanks. I read this when you were spamming another thread and it taught me all I needed to know:

Dont Panic said:

How does c02 heat the dark side of any planet?
You do know it gets cold at night......

Im afraid your new careers not going to pan out, comedy isnt for you.

Edited by Dont Panic on Saturday 4th April 20:41

Edited by Dont Panic on Saturday 4th April 20:42