Will CV reduce the stigma of unemployment
Discussion
Most of us on here will have seen benefit claimants who claim they can't find a job when we really suspect they are just lazy. But for every one person like that, there are a few who are just unlucky - made redundant later in life and struggling, or maybe have a personality that means they struggle to sell themselves.
Previously claiming off the state was seen as a failure, but it has now become clear that we are all just one misfortune away from needing government support. Do we think this will change opinions or will the stigma remain?
Previously claiming off the state was seen as a failure, but it has now become clear that we are all just one misfortune away from needing government support. Do we think this will change opinions or will the stigma remain?
There'll be many who'd have never experienced a period of unemployment outside of their control. Some will now see unemployment from a new perspective, now vulnerable to it and not immune to it.
Will this change company and business policy, in terms of how people are employed and with redundancies, cost-saving job cuts, zero-hours contracts, gig work, self-employment status tax fiddles, contracting?
Will this change company and business policy, in terms of how people are employed and with redundancies, cost-saving job cuts, zero-hours contracts, gig work, self-employment status tax fiddles, contracting?
dai1983 said:
Even then most will find staying at home all day isn't that much fun.
Well for me that's the stratification line in society.My wife is a trainee teacher who has been stood down. Now she's attempting to redecorate and organising home school lessons for kids.
I'm wfh but have a ton of stuff to get on with*, otherwise would volunteer.
That mindset where you just sit and be a victim of events is alien to me.
* to be fair, I will caveat that to say it's easier to get on with stuff when you have more stuff, eg savings, a decent garden, a motorbike in the garage that needs its suspension taking apart etc.
R-t6t6s said:
Most of us on here will have seen benefit claimants who claim they can't find a job when we really suspect they are just lazy. But for every one person like that, there are a few who are just unlucky - made redundant later in life and struggling, or maybe have a personality that means they struggle to sell themselves.
Previously claiming off the state was seen as a failure, but it has now become clear that we are all just one misfortune away from needing government support. Do we think this will change opinions or will the stigma remain?
There is no "claim" about it. Disability aside prior to Covid there was work for anyone that wanted it. My son worked in a pub and they were always crying out for staff. It's the 3rd job he's had while at uni and he never had any issues getting interviews and offers. Anyone keen and willing to get work could have Previously claiming off the state was seen as a failure, but it has now become clear that we are all just one misfortune away from needing government support. Do we think this will change opinions or will the stigma remain?
My father in law never worked a day in the entire time I knew him. Never applied for any job or showed any interest in a job. He simply lived his live watching TV, going to the shops, walking his dog, and the odd day out. He lived 2 streets from us so not in a crap area. The one and only time I was unemployed, my full time job was looking for work.
It's going to be a different world when this is over. There will lots of good people unemployed because of the virus and I believe employers will recognise that.
Troubleatmill said:
When you have a BA pilot now driving delivery vans for Tesco - it's going to be an interesting CV.
Knowing quite a few pilots, that's not as unusual as one might think. Self-funded ATPLs with large debts and limited other skills/qualifications can often be found doing driving/manual work. Granted many BA pilots will have gone through BA-funded training and have known little else.Some with frozen ATPLs may choose to leave these jobs off their pilot/first officer CV, whilst others may consider it shows a desire to be doing something constructive as opposed to sitting on thier backside wiating for the dream job to come along.
GliderRider said:
Troubleatmill said:
When you have a BA pilot now driving delivery vans for Tesco - it's going to be an interesting CV.
Knowing quite a few pilots, that's not as unusual as one might think. Self-funded ATPLs with large debts and limited other skills/qualifications can often be found doing driving/manual work. Granted many BA pilots will have gone through BA-funded training and have known little else.Some with frozen ATPLs may choose to leave these jobs off their pilot/first officer CV, whilst others may consider it shows a desire to be doing something constructive as opposed to sitting on thier backside wiating for the dream job to come along.
If someone has an employment gap, if they aren't working then I'd want to see some personal development - so many free training resources available. Language, IT skills, etc.
All of the big tech companies are giving away free training right now, if IT is your thing (and it will be a good industry to be in post COVID)
Agammemnon said:
gazza285 said:
Agammemnon said:
I think it will largely depend on whether the individual has a scouse accent. 
Why would that make a difference?Do you have anything factual to say?
gazza285 said:
A very concise and detail response, you certainly explained your pathetic attempt at humour there.
Do you have anything factual to say?
Not at all- I was having a dig at the stigmatisation of those from Liverpool & its environs & their stereotypical propensity for benefits claims as evidenced by a friend who worked in the 'job' centre up there.Do you have anything factual to say?
Your lack of amusement is of great upset to me.
Agammemnon said:
Not at all- I was having a dig at the stigmatisation of those from Liverpool & its environs & their stereotypical propensity for benefits claims as evidenced by a friend who worked in the 'job' centre up there.
Your lack of amusement is of great upset to me.
Anecdote is not evidence, and neither is Harry Enfield.Your lack of amusement is of great upset to me.
vaud said:
Indeed.
If someone has an employment gap, if they aren't working then I'd want to see some personal development - so many free training resources available. Language, IT skills, etc.
All of the big tech companies are giving away free training right now, if IT is your thing (and it will be a good industry to be in post COVID)
But what exactly is this obsession with career advancement? I'm guessing you are less than 40 years old! If someone has an employment gap, if they aren't working then I'd want to see some personal development - so many free training resources available. Language, IT skills, etc.
All of the big tech companies are giving away free training right now, if IT is your thing (and it will be a good industry to be in post COVID)
I had a TIA in 2006 and my stressful job as an International Insurance Loss Adjuster may have been a factor, so when I was able to take early retirement in 2010 I took it - it was then or wait until 2014 due to the change in HMRC regulations.
I just wanted a relatively stress free job, ideally part-time and it took me until 2011 to get a part-time job delivering online shopping but then I found a better option in a small family business where my boss was over 60 and understood exactly what I was looking for.
Still it has worked out well in some ways because now I live on work-place pensions so I'll never have a career gap.
Good luck "vaud".
Given the scale of this economic dislocation, I do not think that unemployment caused by coronavirus will be a negative. If you have a solid work history and lose your job through no fault of your now it will be OK.
I think the more important issue is not the stigma, but the availability of jobs. Anyone who thinks that the world will return to its former growth is a bit optimistic in my view.
I think the more important issue is not the stigma, but the availability of jobs. Anyone who thinks that the world will return to its former growth is a bit optimistic in my view.
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