Rusty manifold bolts..what do you think of these?
Rusty manifold bolts..what do you think of these?
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Edmundo2

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1,427 posts

234 months

Sunday 12th April 2020
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Hi,

Just toying with new 200 cel headers/stainless manifolds.

I've read quite a few stories re bolts snapping so had a look to check the condition of mine. I have no frame of reference so wondered what others thought of these re how far gone they are..To my mind they look ok and would think with plenty of WD40 they should be Ok to have a crack at but I'm quite aware many before me have thought the same and ended up regretting ever starting the job...

Any thoughts on these bolts by comparison?








hi court

169 posts

220 months

Sunday 12th April 2020
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Personally wouldn't touch it.

NickUSA

810 posts

191 months

Sunday 12th April 2020
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I've seen a lot worse that those. PB Blaster is your friend.

Edmundo2

Original Poster:

1,427 posts

234 months

Sunday 12th April 2020
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PB blaster ordered. Next stop a swear jar and plasters...

What the concensus on heat? I've not got oxy/acet but would a blow lamp be any use? I assume the thinking is the expansion and contraction helps to break anything seized and you need to let things cools as I presume whilst still hot its expanded and could be harder to remove?

Porsche guy

3,465 posts

251 months

Sunday 12th April 2020
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Edmundo2 said:
PB blaster ordered. Next stop a swear jar and plasters...

What the concensus on heat? I've not got oxy/acet but would a blow lamp be any use? I assume the thinking is the expansion and contraction helps to break anything seized and you need to let things cools as I presume whilst still hot its expanded and could be harder to remove?
Keep us updated OP..smile

Edmundo2

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1,427 posts

234 months

Sunday 12th April 2020
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Ha..Will do. If you never hear from me again....

Porsche guy said:
Edmundo2 said:
PB blaster ordered. Next stop a swear jar and plasters...

What the concensus on heat? I've not got oxy/acet but would a blow lamp be any use? I assume the thinking is the expansion and contraction helps to break anything seized and you need to let things cools as I presume whilst still hot its expanded and could be harder to remove?
Keep us updated OP..smile

ChrisW.

8,046 posts

279 months

Sunday 12th April 2020
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smile

You need a good independent as a safety net !

Escy

4,127 posts

173 months

Sunday 12th April 2020
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You'll probably get a few that snap but take it as easy as you can. I found most of mine would crack off OK but would go tight and snap and it really didn't take much force. I'd apply some heat and work them back and fore as much as possible and use wd40 once they are moving. Fingers crossed the ones that do snap are in the middle with good access.

DJMC

3,584 posts

127 months

Sunday 12th April 2020
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Is PB Blaster better than Plus Gas?

Turn7

25,361 posts

245 months

Sunday 12th April 2020
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Nothing puts more dread in my mind than having to remove an exhaust manifold that looks like that...... You just KNOW its going to be an utter ballache, involving swearing, rust in your eyes, more swearing, a drill or 2, couple of trips to buy helicoil kits and more drill bits.

And it still usually ends up at a workshop anyway...... smile

Edmundo2

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1,427 posts

234 months

Sunday 12th April 2020
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Yep thanks for the comments all. Headers ordered.

Have to admit I have that very strange feeling that's not often talked about......The feeling of setting off/embarking on something when you know it's almost certainly going to go wrong......Quite strange and it does beg an obvious question..

Not sure I've got much option though as I figure whoever goes to take them off will likely have similar luck so to add salt to the wound I'd actually be paying for the privilege! Granted they would no doubt resolve the situation more quickly, ( and comfortably! ), as they will be more skilled and better equipped but I could imagine a pretty hefty bill for labour..

My gut instinct is to go for it and hope that I don't snap too many. I'll try shocking them and use heat and PB working as slowly as I possibly can. Depending on the result it may end up at a workshop if it looks like going properly pear shaped but time looks to be on our side currently so worth a try...

The other option is to not bother but I hope it'll be worth it in the end...

Turn7

25,361 posts

245 months

Sunday 12th April 2020
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Worst case is taking the heads off....... eek

hi court

169 posts

220 months

Sunday 12th April 2020
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Good luck, keep us posted!! I would probably get the engine upto temp before starting to loosen them. I have a small blow torch that is very useful and would also advise some good quality six sides sockets.

Edmundo2

Original Poster:

1,427 posts

234 months

Sunday 12th April 2020
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Yes will be decent six sided sockets, MAPP has etc..

Snowy999

528 posts

89 months

Monday 13th April 2020
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....and the fit some studs so you will worry less in the future. Good luck I've only don this on old triumphs cylinder head studs. Used diesel and a penetrator but everything was accessible from the top...Good luck !

David W.

1,948 posts

233 months

Monday 13th April 2020
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Ive ordered an extra big tub of popcorn for this one. Lots of updates please.

kev b

2,756 posts

190 months

Monday 13th April 2020
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I would think about borrowing or renting an induction heater tool to warm those bolts up.

Or maybe mig welding a larger nut to the bolt head and undoing whilst still hot.

There is potential here for a world of hassle, fools rush in etc

frayz

2,807 posts

183 months

Monday 13th April 2020
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This is a job I want to do, just to swap to studs and nuts. Think I’d go with heat and then spraying with plus gas etc as they cool to draw in the penetrating oil.
So far I also have employed the (if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it mantra).

thebraketester

15,549 posts

162 months

Monday 13th April 2020
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I would run the engine for a bit to get some heat into the head. Heating the bolt directly probably will make things worse.

ras62

1,110 posts

180 months

Monday 13th April 2020
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Leave them alone! if the manifold isn't leaking. You can still fit different cats so why give yourself a potential headache?