US to stop funding WHO...
Discussion
So old Trump has gone off on another of his over medicated rambles. No change there then. Except with regards to WHO funding maybe he is right?
The graph below speaks for itself and it’s interesting to see how little China contributes even though it has huge wealth, appears to have benefitted the most out of WHO support ....oh has also been responsible for some of the most recent health emergencies in modern times.
So - should we also withdraw our monies, encourage Germany to do the same and then leverage a fairer deal for all members?
The graph below speaks for itself and it’s interesting to see how little China contributes even though it has huge wealth, appears to have benefitted the most out of WHO support ....oh has also been responsible for some of the most recent health emergencies in modern times.
So - should we also withdraw our monies, encourage Germany to do the same and then leverage a fairer deal for all members?
Cheib said:
Well one thing that will come out of this is the funding split ! Had no idea how it was funded. Amazing the UK is third and seemingly pays multiples of another G10 country like France. Wonder how that split has come about.
I believe they are calculated relative to wealth and population and are often referred to as an assessed contribution- which obviously isn’t right seeing as China have the biggest population and are hugely wealthy at high level - it’s probably skewed by the fact that a massive amount of the population are very poor - similar wealth profile to Russia.I'm continually amazed that things like the funding split or the WHO's not including Taiwan are news, it's like people are sleeping under a rock.
There is no fairer settlement you can "force" on the WHO by threatening to reduce pay (during a global pandemic!). It's like forcing the UN to do better weapon inspections of a member state by witholding money from the UN, when they're there at the member states invitation.
If China doesn't want to tell the WHO the truth, they won't. Everyone knows this, but the WHO gets kicked out if they say so (or praise Taiwan). So they say what they can and leave it to the intelligent people in world governments to read between the lines.
The WHO and UN are at the mercy of member states, not the other way around.
There is no fairer settlement you can "force" on the WHO by threatening to reduce pay (during a global pandemic!). It's like forcing the UN to do better weapon inspections of a member state by witholding money from the UN, when they're there at the member states invitation.
If China doesn't want to tell the WHO the truth, they won't. Everyone knows this, but the WHO gets kicked out if they say so (or praise Taiwan). So they say what they can and leave it to the intelligent people in world governments to read between the lines.
The WHO and UN are at the mercy of member states, not the other way around.
Typical. The U.K. bent over as usual!
The WHO seem to be a total waste of time anyway, their handing over the pandemic is laughable yet they’re funded to the tune of $2.5bn. They seem to be in the pocket of whom ever will slips the largest back hander *ahem* China, I’m looking at you.
The WHO seem to be a total waste of time anyway, their handing over the pandemic is laughable yet they’re funded to the tune of $2.5bn. They seem to be in the pocket of whom ever will slips the largest back hander *ahem* China, I’m looking at you.
Evolved said:
Typical. The U.K. bent over as usual!
The WHO seem to be a total waste of time anyway, their handing over the pandemic is laughable yet they’re funded to the tune of $2.5bn. They seem to be in the pocket of whom ever will slips the largest back hander *ahem* China, I’m looking at you.
The WHO seem to be a total waste of time anyway, their handing over the pandemic is laughable yet they’re funded to the tune of $2.5bn. They seem to be in the pocket of whom ever will slips the largest back hander *ahem* China, I’m looking at you.
From wiki:
The WHO has played a leading role in several public health achievements, most notably the eradication of smallpox, the near-eradication of polio, and the development of an Ebola vaccine.
Since the start of the current pandemic, I'm of the belief that they've stood on the sidelines and watched or criticised.
For some reason, I hoped that they would take the lead and issue some clear guidelines to the countries at the forefront of the fight, but nothing..It's possible that they're awful at communicating, but when a voice was needed they just weren't there.
I think this is the wake up they need to modernise in this new world. Drag themselves from the 1950s by re-organising, then face this and future events head on.
For some reason, I hoped that they would take the lead and issue some clear guidelines to the countries at the forefront of the fight, but nothing..It's possible that they're awful at communicating, but when a voice was needed they just weren't there.
I think this is the wake up they need to modernise in this new world. Drag themselves from the 1950s by re-organising, then face this and future events head on.
Looking at the IMF GDP per capita list, the US is 10th, we’re 27th and China is 67th.
Probably goes some way to explaining how the funding is split.
Seems like more short sighted isolationism from Trump imo.
The US’s response to the pandemic has been a disaster and he’s throwing blame all over the place while reminding everyone of how great he is. Business as usual unfortunately.
Probably goes some way to explaining how the funding is split.
Seems like more short sighted isolationism from Trump imo.
The US’s response to the pandemic has been a disaster and he’s throwing blame all over the place while reminding everyone of how great he is. Business as usual unfortunately.
Lotus Notes said:
Since the start of the current pandemic, I'm of the belief that they've stood on the sidelines and watched or criticised.
For some reason, I hoped that they would take the lead and issue some clear guidelines to the countries at the forefront of the fight, but nothing..It's possible that they're awful at communicating, but when a voice was needed they just weren't there.
I think this is the wake up they need to modernise in this new world. Drag themselves from the 1950s by re-organising, then face this and future events head on.
It took them well over a month to even set foot in China to have a look at what was going on despite reports of people dropping dead in the streets for weeks. For some reason, I hoped that they would take the lead and issue some clear guidelines to the countries at the forefront of the fight, but nothing..It's possible that they're awful at communicating, but when a voice was needed they just weren't there.
I think this is the wake up they need to modernise in this new world. Drag themselves from the 1950s by re-organising, then face this and future events head on.
If they're going to exist the whole thing needs to be totally revamped and there should be some investigations into some of these charitable donations which they receive.
IDK, if you want an organisation who sets the direction of world health standards and responses would it be better funded by those with the health standards you want to see throughout the world or those who cause most of the health problems?
Whether you think the WHO could or could not have done a better job or made mistakes in Corona19 does anyone think they would have done better if funded by China or we (the west) would have done better without the WHO at all?
Whether you think the WHO could or could not have done a better job or made mistakes in Corona19 does anyone think they would have done better if funded by China or we (the west) would have done better without the WHO at all?
ZedLeg said:
Looking at the IMF GDP per capita list, the US is 10th, we’re 27th and China is 67th.
Probably goes some way to explaining how the funding is split.
Seems like more short sighted isolationism from Trump imo.
The US’s response to the pandemic has been a disaster and he’s throwing blame all over the place while reminding everyone of how great he is. Business as usual unfortunately.
Here is a perspective and just IMO. The US closed China, and Europe shortly after, off from travel earlier than others. Trump was called "Xenophobic" for doing so although it turned out to be the right move. He started other things later than he should have (as did most nations) but he has made the right moves. He built hospital capacity and ventilator availability very quickly. No one that has died from COVID here did so due to lack of an ICU bed or ventilator. Now, as the epicenter, New York/New Jersey has begun to flatten, it is evident that we will not exceed our hospital capacity. The Navy hospital ships are underutilized as well. Our death estimates have been revised down twice. Democratic Governors were on TV one and three days ago stating that he has provided everything they asked for within his power. Again, just a perspective and I apologize if I curved off topic. Probably goes some way to explaining how the funding is split.
Seems like more short sighted isolationism from Trump imo.
The US’s response to the pandemic has been a disaster and he’s throwing blame all over the place while reminding everyone of how great he is. Business as usual unfortunately.
ianrb said:
Maybe if people looked at the graph in some detail they would see that the bulk of the UK contribution is volentery.
I'm not sure that makes it any better. The main question is why are we paying so much more than everyone else - regardless of whether it's voluntary or mandated.8.4L 154 said:
IDK, if you want an organisation who sets the direction of world health standards and responses would it be better funded by those with the health standards you want to see throughout the world or those who cause most of the health problems?
Whether you think the WHO could or could not have done a better job or made mistakes in Corona19 does anyone think they would have done better if funded by China or we (the west) would have done better without the WHO at all?
I believe this is a leverage move by Trump to force them to reorganize in ways posters above have suggested. Then funding will be restored. Trump is not a real politician. Let's be honest, politicians would write an official protest letter to the UN, followed up by a letter months later with an exclamation mark. Trump just snatches the money rug out from under them and invites them to reconsider how they do business, but under terms less favorable to them.Whether you think the WHO could or could not have done a better job or made mistakes in Corona19 does anyone think they would have done better if funded by China or we (the west) would have done better without the WHO at all?
It's just trump trying to distract and deny that he delayed and denied the us response to the virus.
24th Jan
The WHO was publicly urging countries at the end of January to prepare for "containment" defined by "active surveillance, early detection, isolation, case management and contact tracing."
https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/23-01-2020-st...
trump on the other hand
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1220818...
24th Jan
The WHO was publicly urging countries at the end of January to prepare for "containment" defined by "active surveillance, early detection, isolation, case management and contact tracing."
https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/23-01-2020-st...
trump on the other hand
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency. It will all work out well. In particular, on behalf of the American People, I want to thank President Xi!
https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1220818...
grumbledoak said:
So the biggest funder of the WHO is now Bill Gates? A man with a track record of monopoly abuse and heavy investments in vaccination programs? That's one for the conspiracy thread!
Combine that with Event 201 + the lab he apparently has connections with in Wuhan and Occam's razor would suggest it all looks a bit fishy. Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff