Neeve’s Riding Tips
Neeve’s Riding Tips
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SteveS Cup

Original Poster:

1,996 posts

190 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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Hi all,

As some of you will know, I only passed my test in November, done over 7000 miles since, feel very confident on the bike and always seem to make the right decision at the right time (I guess being a bit more mature and having 15 years driving experience helps).

I’m yet to do any extra courses but plan to as soon as we’re allowed and I’ve always planned on doing the Ron Haslam school at Donnington.

I have watched a lot of YouTube tuition videos and learnt so much from it.

However, this video from Neevesy is just superb. I didn’t realise he instructs at the Ron Haslam school.

Tips around braking, entering corners, mid corner and powering out was really good! The relation between throttle position and lean angle was explained so clearly.

Also the tips re gears through corners, less chance of spinning the rear wheel in 2nd at high rpm than 3rd or 4th at a lower rpm where max torque is.

Really enjoyed this video so thought I’d share...

https://youtu.be/0vjAu9rSLT0

Ho Lee Kau

2,278 posts

155 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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The video, as named, is for track riding.
I doubt you will be going around street corners in second gear at 12000rpm.

btdk5

1,862 posts

220 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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Watch Twist of the Wrist 2, it’s also on YouTube. Cheesy as anything but has solid fundamentals for riding everywhere.

Any track work will really improve your confidence and takes away (some) of the desire to ride like a tt on the road.

SteveS Cup

Original Poster:

1,996 posts

190 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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Ho Lee Kau said:
The video, as named, is for track riding.
I doubt you will be going around street corners in second gear at 12000rpm.
I’m not suggesting you would and I fully appreciate its for track but a lot of the advice IMO is good advice that can help on the road!


roboxm3

2,485 posts

225 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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Watch the other one he put up the other day, explaining how they ride as motorcycle journos, much more appropriate and useful for road riding.

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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Ho Lee Kau said:
The video, as named, is for track riding.
I doubt you will be going around street corners in second gear at 12000rpm.
How constructive of you, thanks for posting wink

SteveS Cup

Original Poster:

1,996 posts

190 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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roboxm3 said:
Watch the other one he put up the other day, explaining how they ride as motorcycle journos, much more appropriate and useful for road riding.
Watched them all!

Interesting about what he says regarding lean angles and that using all of your tyres on the road is wrong!

airsafari87

3,307 posts

212 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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I havent watched the whole of that video but the initial part about body positioning reminded me of something i was told when I started riding about 20 years ago, but it's still stuck with me.

When going around a corner point the zip of your jacket in the direction you want to go.

I told it to a mate of mine who passed his test fairly recently and was very tentative going around corners. He said it helped him massively.

GriffoDP

298 posts

167 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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That's interesting, but I can't go and see if I do that, or try it now hah! Don't let me forget!

Zakalwe

194 posts

91 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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I tried pointing my zip but I was wearing a double rider ended up falling off

SteveS Cup

Original Poster:

1,996 posts

190 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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airsafari87 said:
I havent watched the whole of that video but the initial part about body positioning reminded me of something i was told when I started riding about 20 years ago, but it's still stuck with me.

When going around a corner point the zip of your jacket in the direction you want to go.

I told it to a mate of mine who passed his test fairly recently and was very tentative going around corners. He said it helped him massively.
Absolutely. The amount of people I’ve seen on bikes all twisted up trying their best to get their knee down but their whole body is pointing in the wrong direction!

Gibonz

52 posts

97 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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Ho Lee Kau said:
The video, as named, is for track riding.
I doubt you will be going around street corners in second gear at 12000rpm.
Don't be a pr1ck

Birky_41

4,649 posts

214 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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Totally agree on his road riding video I watched. I've been road riding since 1998. I do upto 10k a year and at times get a bit a rep for being a touch keen in my pace but I ALWAYS follow the rules he pretty much states

Triaguar

928 posts

243 months

Saturday 18th April 2020
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Gibonz said:
Ho Lee Kau said:
The video, as named, is for track riding.
I doubt you will be going around street corners in second gear at 12000rpm.
Don't be a pr1ck
Come on give these comments a bit of a break. Based on the OP comments of " I have been riding since November and I always make the correct decision" does set the odd alarm bell ringing. I have been riding for the best part of 50 years and have done some serious professional road stuff and I still know I don't always make the correct decision. The OP , apologies for talking about you in the third person, seems like a very genuine person trying to do the right thing. But whilst there are certain aspects of track instruction that does help on road anyone with any sense knows that these are two completely opposite sides of the same coin. You must know enough to realise where the difference lies. OP you seem like a very genuine person trying to do things correctly, obviously very enthusiastic about biking and wanting to improve. Please realise 6 months and 7000 miles is only page one , chapter one of the ' world of biking'. In 1976 I was given some instruction and at the end of it the instructor said this to me.... " I am now going to give you two bags... bag one is full and that bag is full of LUCK... bag two is empty that is the bag of EXPERIENCE... I hope that bag two gets full before back number one runs out.
OP you may be a very good rider, competent, quick and safe just a quick reflection that ond is not mixing ambition with ability. I got the impression that Ho Lee Kau was trying to say the same thing.

Andybow

1,177 posts

148 months

Sunday 19th April 2020
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Neevsy’s videos on track and road riding have been absolutely spot on imo.
I do think he’s the best road tester out there and every bike I’ve ridden I’ve pretty much listened to what he’s said about a bike I’ve agreed with.
Track riding is obviously much different than road riding but I reckon if you haven’t ridden on track you really don’t know about fast riding properly, So many people who are quick on the road end up being st on the track. Can never work that one out but that’s what I’ve seen.

the cueball

1,914 posts

85 months

Sunday 19th April 2020
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Always ride like everyone is out to kill you.


Words I’ve ridden by for the last 20 odd years.


Esceptico

8,897 posts

139 months

Sunday 19th April 2020
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Andybow said:
Neevsy’s videos on track and road riding have been absolutely spot on imo.
I do think he’s the best road tester out there and every bike I’ve ridden I’ve pretty much listened to what he’s said about a bike I’ve agreed with.
Track riding is obviously much different than road riding but I reckon if you haven’t ridden on track you really don’t know about fast riding properly, So many people who are quick on the road end up being st on the track. Can never work that one out but that’s what I’ve seen.
Riding well on track and on the road are in my view very different. You can be good at one, but not the other, or both. Riding on track is much more about bike handling skills - road riding is much more about observation, hazard identification and planning. Late and hard braking, big lean angles and maximum acceleration and speeds are great on track where the environment is very controlled, no one is coming the other way and the road surface is great. Riding on the road where the unexpected should always be expected is not the place for those techniques.

A couple of years back I came around a bend on one of my favourite roads to find a horse and rider on my side. Fortunately experience and a couple of crashes had tempered my riding enough and as I wasn’t going quickly (waiting to see the exit of the bend) it was not a problem. Had it happened soon after I started riding and was more hot headed it could have been a different story.

I’m still making mistakes today, miss stuff I shouldn’t and I’m still trying to learn.

I found doing the Rospa exam useful as had a good instructor.

I’m not sure doing track days helped my road riding but they were fun anyway.



black-k1

12,807 posts

259 months

Sunday 19th April 2020
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the cueball said:
Always ride like everyone is out to kill you.


Words I’ve ridden by for the last 20 odd years.
As I've said on many occasions, I understand the sentiment but it's a completely wrong approach. If you rode like that you'd never be able to ride on a road with other traffic as it would "all be out to get you"!

Pretty much every other road user does not want to get you! In fact, many will often go "above and beyond" to not get you.

Ride with courtesy and with control, in a way that gives you the maximum number of options should something go wrong!

Birky_41

4,649 posts

214 months

Sunday 19th April 2020
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Andybow said:
Neevsy’s videos on track and road riding have been absolutely spot on imo.
I do think he’s the best road tester out there and every bike I’ve ridden I’ve pretty much listened to what he’s said about a bike I’ve agreed with.
Track riding is obviously much different than road riding but I reckon if you haven’t ridden on track you really don’t know about fast riding properly, So many people who are quick on the road end up being st on the track. Can never work that one out but that’s what I’ve seen.
100% agree. I know of someone I rode with that was fast on the road but not in a way I always thought was right. He did a few track days and crashed. Really opened his eyes. He stopped track and slowly stopped road. Doesn't really ride anymore

Vickers_VC10

6,759 posts

235 months

Sunday 19th April 2020
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Ho Lee Kau said:
The video, as named, is for track riding.
I doubt you will be going around street corners in second gear at 12000rpm.
You've never been to the isle of man have you? biggrin