this kit car looks very good..
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**even receive a letter of Commendation from Lamborghini (Italy)
http://www.exoticillusions.com.au/go.htm
I looked at the photos in the web site
the building quality is excellent.
and the Toyota/Lexus V8 can add Twin Turbo (800hp)
or Super charged (500hp)....?? amazing!
what do you think?
http://www.exoticillusions.com.au/go.htm
I looked at the photos in the web site
the building quality is excellent.
and the Toyota/Lexus V8 can add Twin Turbo (800hp)
or Super charged (500hp)....?? amazing!
what do you think?
Hmmm. Not sure.
Parallel Designs are the only company to my mind that have been Lamborghini approved.
Basically, after Ferrucio Lamborghini had sold his company, he took an interest in Prova, a Countach replicators. He was impressed by the way it was made. Basically, what they'd done was take an original Countach, strip it down, then reassemble it, taking note of how to replicate each part, but solving some of the design problems, then installing a V8 of the same dislacement and power output. He actually said it was a better car than his own Countach (which he'd become disillusioned with anyway), and gave it his blessing.
Prova became Lamberti, then Parallel Designs, and they remanufacture the Miura and Diablo in the same way they did the Countach. Tonino Lamborghini, Ferrucio's son, approves of the cars and their construction and as such they are protected from legal action. They can even put 'Miura' and 'Countach' on them - they licensed them amicably from the family.
Obviously they're not the originals, but I respect them as a way of buying (or building yourself) a new (and far more reliable) version of a classic car.
However, I'm not sure about any of these other replicas. Aren't the Exotic Illusions reps based on Pontiac Fieros? That basis doesn't do Lamborghini justice at all. I'd only buy an original, or one of the Parallel Designs 'recreations' TBH.
Parallel Designs are the only company to my mind that have been Lamborghini approved.
Basically, after Ferrucio Lamborghini had sold his company, he took an interest in Prova, a Countach replicators. He was impressed by the way it was made. Basically, what they'd done was take an original Countach, strip it down, then reassemble it, taking note of how to replicate each part, but solving some of the design problems, then installing a V8 of the same dislacement and power output. He actually said it was a better car than his own Countach (which he'd become disillusioned with anyway), and gave it his blessing.
Prova became Lamberti, then Parallel Designs, and they remanufacture the Miura and Diablo in the same way they did the Countach. Tonino Lamborghini, Ferrucio's son, approves of the cars and their construction and as such they are protected from legal action. They can even put 'Miura' and 'Countach' on them - they licensed them amicably from the family.
Obviously they're not the originals, but I respect them as a way of buying (or building yourself) a new (and far more reliable) version of a classic car.
However, I'm not sure about any of these other replicas. Aren't the Exotic Illusions reps based on Pontiac Fieros? That basis doesn't do Lamborghini justice at all. I'd only buy an original, or one of the Parallel Designs 'recreations' TBH.
Twincam16 said:
However, I'm not sure about any of these other replicas. Aren't the Exotic Illusions reps based on Pontiac Fieros? That basis doesn't do Lamborghini justice at all. I'd only buy an original, or one of the Parallel Designs 'recreations' TBH.
Well, according to their website, it's a spaceframe chassis with LS400 power. Look like a nice replica to me, and definitely not a Fieroghini!
Twincam16 said:
Hmmm. Not sure.
Parallel Designs are the only company to my mind that have been Lamborghini approved.
Basically, after Ferrucio Lamborghini had sold his company, he took an interest in Prova, a Countach replicators. He was impressed by the way it was made. Basically, what they'd done was take an original Countach, strip it down, then reassemble it, taking note of how to replicate each part, but solving some of the design problems, then installing a V8 of the same dislacement and power output. He actually said it was a better car than his own Countach (which he'd become disillusioned with anyway), and gave it his blessing.
Prova became Lamberti, then Parallel Designs, and they remanufacture the Miura and Diablo in the same way they did the Countach. Tonino Lamborghini, Ferrucio's son, approves of the cars and their construction and as such they are protected from legal action. They can even put 'Miura' and 'Countach' on them - they licensed them amicably from the family.
Obviously they're not the originals, but I respect them as a way of buying (or building yourself) a new (and far more reliable) version of a classic car.
However, I'm not sure about any of these other replicas. Aren't the Exotic Illusions reps based on Pontiac Fieros? That basis doesn't do Lamborghini justice at all. I'd only buy an original, or one of the Parallel Designs 'recreations' TBH.
Didn't Lamberti move their operation to Italy, where they still do the Countach replica?
I though that Parallel Designs and their Diablo replica were quite separate.
Could be wrong though
t0ny99 said:
However, I'm not sure about any of these other replicas. Aren't the Exotic Illusions reps based on Pontiac Fieros? That basis doesn't do Lamborghini justice at all. I'd only buy an original, or one of the Parallel Designs 'recreations' TBH.
Well, according to their website, it's a spaceframe chassis with LS400 power. Look like a nice replica to me, and definitely not a Fieroghini!
Yeah, on second glance you're right. It's a bit sad looking at the American kit sites and seeing that absolutely everything is based on a Fiero. Some of them even put manual gear gates around their automatic gear levers - how sad is that?
After the last replica debacle I've had a strong think about what I will and won't 'tolerate' so far as replicas go.
I'll accept them if they are essentially the original, rebuilt, but with more manageable and modern parts, like PD Lamborghinis, most Jaguar replicas and so on. I'm still in two minds about the Dodge Viper replicas - the original is a right truck and the Cosworth 4WD replicas with 2.9 turbo V6s and Rover V8s seem somehow more appealing than the original.
I'll also accept kits that are cars that take inspiration from a production car, but pick up the idea and run with it, like the RV Nemesis and the Aldino Turbo - both of which use Koenig Ferraris for their inspiration, and the Kougar Monza, which is clearly inspired by '50s racing Ferraris, but no single one in particular.
What I don't like are Fiero-based 'supercars'. A transverse GM V6 just doesn't work in a Countach, and the chassis can't keep up either. I don't like replicas that are basically rebodied versions of other cars unless they share specifications (Jaguar E-Types based on XJ6s for example). I mean, some of them are very well finished (Toyota-based F355s for example), but I can't help thinking that, for the cost of building and 'authenticating' an F355 replica, you could've bought a real Ferrari 348! And I know which one I'd rather have. Same goes for Maestro-based RS200s, Beetle-based Dinos and so on.
I also think there are some cars that you can't even think about replicating as the spec is so special. I'm thinking McLaren F1, Ferrari 288 GTO/F40, that kind of thing. An RV Nemesis is all well and good as it's as fast as a Testarossa - faster if properly specced - and handles better depending on set-up. However, I don't know where you'd get hold of a 2.9-litre twin-turbo V8, Lexan windows and aerodynamically-honed body parts to replicate an F40 properly, and take it to 200 mph.
Nevin said:
Didn't Lamberti move their operation to Italy, where they still do the Countach replica?
I though that Parallel Designs and their Diablo replica were quite separate.
Could be wrong though
Well, Lamberti bought Prova's designs and upped sticks to Italy, then went bust. Parallel Designs have recently bought their Countach and Miura designs and gained the approval of Tonino Lamborghini, which is why they can use the original names (But the Diablo is called the Torero as the last Diablos were built under Audi and they still have the name.)
thx for the informations and comments.
I looked at the countach because it is so hard to find the original piece.
estimate the price would be about US$120,000 in Hong Kong market (where I live)
so after reading your comments, I think it is alright to purchase a replica as long as everything from the chasis to the interior, exterior showing that the maker has put alot of effort of making it as original (technologically)..and not a body change from another car.
this is the same thought that I have.
I looked at the countach because it is so hard to find the original piece.
estimate the price would be about US$120,000 in Hong Kong market (where I live)
so after reading your comments, I think it is alright to purchase a replica as long as everything from the chasis to the interior, exterior showing that the maker has put alot of effort of making it as original (technologically)..and not a body change from another car.
this is the same thought that I have.
Twincam16 said:
I don't think Lamberti exist any more.
Try www.paralleldesigns.co.uk
www.lamberti.co.uk/news.htm
Mutant Rat said:
I don't think Lamberti exist any more.
Try <a href="www.paralleldesigns.co.uk">www.paralleldesigns.co.uk</a>
www.lamberti.co.uk/news.htm
But that's been up for the best part of two years, and according to an interview with the boss of Parallel Designs, they've bought up Lamberti's products with a view to developing a 4-litre placement for the Miura to get the car accurate, as well as continuing the original Lamborghini-approved Prova/Lamberti Countach.
Mutant Rat said:
I don't think Lamberti exist any more.
Try <a href="www.paralleldesigns.co.uk">www.paralleldesigns.co.uk</a>
www.lamberti.co.uk/news.htm
oh the correct email is in the main page news...
thx..
cb1118 said:
a Parallel Designs Miura Replica??
wow..that would be sexier than a Countach
I personally think the Miura is the sexiest Lambo in history
Agreed. I'd certainly consider buying one if it was built to the same quality as the Diablo replica.
I wouldn't be worried about the engine capacity, but it needs to make the right noise. No V8's therefore - the exhaust phasing means that the sound is all wrong.
V6 would be better, so the obvious solution would seem to be the Alfa. Potential for 3.2 litres and six speed gearbox for reasonable money, along with more than adequate power and torque for a car with the Miura's narrow track and (relatively) skinny, high profile tyres.
Martin_S said:
a Parallel Designs Miura Replica??
wow..that would be sexier than a Countach
I personally think the Miura is the sexiest Lambo in history
Agreed. I'd certainly consider buying one if it was built to the same quality as the Diablo replica.
I wouldn't be worried about the engine capacity, but it needs to make the right noise. No V8's therefore - the exhaust phasing means that the sound is all wrong.
V6 would be better, so the obvious solution would seem to be the Alfa. Potential for 3.2 litres and six speed gearbox for reasonable money, along with more than adequate power and torque for a car with the Miura's narrow track and (relatively) skinny, high profile tyres.
The current Prova Miura replica can have an Alfa V6, but Parallel Designs, being sticklers for accuracy, want a replica with the same displacement as the original (for the same performance too).
TBH judging by the way they're built, either would do me fine, but I do feel that a Miura needs the power and performance of the original.
Having said that, you could probably get Miura power and performance out of a new GTA-spec Alfa Romeo 3.2-litre GTA-spec V6. And those enginges do sound glorious, very Italian in timbre.
Twincam16 said:
The current Prova Miura replica can have an Alfa V6, but Parallel Designs, being sticklers for accuracy, want a replica with the same displacement as the original.
But not the same layout obviously as the prototype they showed at Stoneleigh had the engine mounted inline - with the driveshaft takeoffs from the transaxle about 10" further back than the axle line.
Be interesting to see what they do about that. Severe angles in the UJs/CV joints are NOT the answer...
Twincam16 said:
The current Prova Miura replica can have an Alfa V6, but Parallel Designs, being sticklers for accuracy, want a replica with the same displacement as the original (for the same performance too).
Depends which element of 'accuracy' they are being sticklers for...
Lets be honest, this will be a visual replica only.
It won't have the same chassis design (if they have any sense - the original was badly flawed), it won't have bodywork made out of the same stuff and no way is it going to have a transverse mounted quad-cam V12 which shares its engine oil with the gearbox and has the gearchange rod running through the middle of the sump. It won't even have the same number of cylinders, so actual capacity is pretty academic.
In terms of making the right noise, you are going to get a lot closer with a V6 than a V8, and in any case I can't think of any readily available transverse installations around the 4-litre mark. Closest would be the Ferrari V8, but that simply wouldn't stack up in terms of cost/performance benefit.
As Graham said, a longitudinal installation in a Miura replica is going to be an abortion in engineering terms - either very severe driveshaft angles or and engine that intrudes on the passenger space (or both!).
Transverse V6 from current generation FWD saloons are definitely the answer, IMHO.
250 genuine horses from a nice torquey, tractable fuel injected unit are going to provide very similar performance to the temperamental Lamborghini 4-litre, and in any case the Miura's aerodynamics make it very unstable if anyone is stupid enough to take it over about 140mph, so why worry about top speed?
>> Edited by Mutant Rat on Thursday 16th June 19:23
Twincam16 said:
However, I don't know where you'd get hold of a 2.9-litre twin-turbo V8, Lexan windows and aerodynamically-honed body parts to replicate an F40 properly, and take it to 200 mph.
I do!
F40 rep
Take a look at the videos and tell me you wouldn't be tempted! Don't imagine he saved much over the cost of the real thing though...
If you want to find out the real story about this, contact me via www.siennacountach.net.
To lift a tip of the scale, Prova never became Lamberti. Lamberti used to produce the Mirage replica which is now in hands of DC supercars. Lamberti at one point in time got their hands on the moulds of the Sienna Countach. It's unknown to me what happened with these moulds afterwards.
Theo
www.siennacountach.net
To lift a tip of the scale, Prova never became Lamberti. Lamberti used to produce the Mirage replica which is now in hands of DC supercars. Lamberti at one point in time got their hands on the moulds of the Sienna Countach. It's unknown to me what happened with these moulds afterwards.
Theo
www.siennacountach.net
Edited by siennacountach on Tuesday 16th January 23:48
Edited by siennacountach on Tuesday 16th January 23:49
And the Parallel Miura, is by no means a replica - it's far more akin to the recent concept. If I remember right, Prova never splashed a real one - it's more, well, 'tubby' - add to that the SVA amendments that Parallel had no choice but to make and you've got a modern retake rather than classic replica.
Here's undoubtedly the best Prova Miura completed to date c/w the real thing
Here's undoubtedly the best Prova Miura completed to date c/w the real thing
Edited by smash on Thursday 25th January 09:46
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