Advice - 3 x Speeding Nips over 3 days for a nurse

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[kiethton]

All of them are too fast for a speed awareness course, all are in the standard NIP area so she’s looking at 9 points.

I don’t know the answers so won’t answer the questions - may be worth a chat with AGTLaw who frequents these parts - has helped me out in the past, drafting court mitigation etc for a very reasonable cost.

Edited by kiethton on Friday 24th April 21:15

[LosingGrip]

No course at that speed (I think the cut off is 86 in a 70 off the top of my head).

Not fast enough for a court appearance based on speed alone (just mind you, 96 is the limit).

Does she have any points already?

I think it will be a FPN for all three.

Beaten to it!

[Trevor555]

My friend had similar, caught three times in one week on the same road.

He went to court, I got the call to go and pick him up.

He got a 6 month ban.

The judge said "Mr Brooker, you are a habitual speeder"

I asked if he had points on his licence already, he said not, but may have been lying.

[A1VDY]

The 'nurse' card won't help here and not sure why it's even mentioned.
Its unnecessary speeding pure and simple. Leaving 5 mins earlier is the answer..

[DuraAce]

94 will be nigh on an indicated 100. She needs to pay attention and slow down!

M3 at the M25 end I guess? I drive that almost daily. Indicated 80 is about the most you'll get away with.
Cameras are running 24/7...I've seen a few flashes at 3am for example.

Could be an expensive do....

[g3org3y]

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I doubt it.

[LosingGrip]

anonymous said:

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Just remember courts sometimes go the other way when you day that your mind wasn't fully there when driving etc.

You won't get a course for 89. Limit is 86 (10% plus 9mph).

https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q584.htm

[KungFuPanda]

You might be best accepting 3 lots of fixed penalties and have 9 points on her licence rather than going in front of the magistrates who might impose a ban for all three incidents.

[loskie]

in the early 90s I was caught speeding in Scotland iirc 50 as I exited a 30 to a 60. I was on a low income (21) was fined 3 pts and £100. The same sitting in Kirkcudbright Sheriff court local MEP caught on the same part of road 1st thing in the morning and then late afternoon on his way home. £30 and 3 points both counted as one offence.

Justice was not served BUT what was apparent was how good the defence was OR that secret handshake. Who knows.

I think at the mo if she takes legal representation and plays the knackered NHS worker/hero she may get away with quite a lot.

And good luck to her too.

There's often no justice, another local court hearing driver in a borrowed Porsche got let off speeding, "the car was borrowed and the driver did not know the speed it was capable of"!!!

[Sheepshanks]

anonymous said:

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Not sure if serious?

Of course it's (probably) fine, but it's a chunky amount over the limit so is asking for trouble legally.


Does she always drive at those speeds or was there something unusual about those three journeys? I got away with it for years but then caught twice in close succesion (but not consecutive days!) and it really slowed me down as I realised it'd be so easy to lose my licence (and therefore job).

Edited by Sheepshanks on Friday 24th April 22:13

[redjohn]

The penalty recommendations are

Limit FPN if no course Course From Course to Court
20mph 24mph 24mph 31mph 35mph
30mph 35mph 35mph 42mph 50mph
40mph 46mph 46mph 53mph 66mph
50mph 57mph 57mph 64mph 76mph
60mph 68mph 68mph 75mph 86mph
70mph 79mph 79mph 86mph 96mph

So all three are FPN so £100, 3pts x 3

If you go to court the 89 and 91 should be 3pts and a fine of around 50% (25% to 75%) weekly income, however the 94 is a Band B offence and is 4 to 6pts or Disqualify 7 – 28 and around 100% (75% to 125%) weekly income. It wouldn't be disqualify and I doubt 6pts but it could be 5pts.

No previous convictions or no relevant/recent convictions
Good character and/or exemplary conduct

are factors to reduce

If you want to court, to get 9pts (rather than 10 or more) you are going to need the magistrate to come outside the guidelines which would be unusual but might just for covid19 / NHS

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/magi...

[TurnedEmo]

A magistrate could easily go heavy on a nurse on the grounds that excessive speed was more risk and could have put more pressure on scarce NHS resources - and that she should know better, especially under current circumstances. Especially if the magistrate feels you're wasting their time.

I'd take FPNs if offered.

[Pica-Pica]

Best of thanks for what she does.
However, remind her, respectfully, that every 30% increase in speed at an impact, results is a 69% increase in severity of that impact. Kinetic energy increases to the square of the speed increase.

I am sure her A&E department would not thank her if she came in via the ‘customer’ entrance.

[HarryW]

Blimey, she must have been seeing 95+ If not 100 on the speedo for those clocked speeds.
If she has the opportunity I would Take the points, 9 in total, be more observant, be thankful and hope she keeps her licence and more importantly learns...

[321boost]

Is it worth speaking to the police force concerned? I feel sorry for her.

Edited by 321boost on Friday 24th April 22:37

[cuprabob]

Unless her driving was out of character on those 3 days, there might be more NIPs incoming

[gazza285]

Your best course of action would be to tell her to slow down, closely followed by putting your hand in your pocket.

[JxJ Jr.]

anonymous said:

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The problem with coming up with arguments like these are that objectively they don't stand much scrutiny - you're saying due to stress and mindset she failed to notice being over a third above the speed limit to go and do a job where the consequences of failing to notice something's out by a third could be pretty disastrous.

[Turn7]

Dizzee,get some proper legal advice on this, it could get expensive....