Good value 993
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Looks great value for RHD manual 993 in stunning colour:
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1222698
MoT history looks bob-on, no mention of oil leaks!
I am only posting because my wife has not permitted me to increase the mortgage to cover buying it otherwise I would have had a deposit on it quick-smart.
Someone is gonna be lucky.
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1222698
MoT history looks bob-on, no mention of oil leaks!
I am only posting because my wife has not permitted me to increase the mortgage to cover buying it otherwise I would have had a deposit on it quick-smart.
Someone is gonna be lucky.
I wouldn’t say it’s a bargain, in the current climate, but could be a nice buy if there are no hidden nasties.
It’s a late car, nice colour, although prefer Speed Yellow. Desirable Sports Seats, but leather looks tired. Personally I don’t like the yellow instruments or body kit, especially the big rear spoiler - it would look much prettier with the retractable one.
Mileage is on the cusp of 100k, which moves its appeal away from collectors towards regular usage
It’s easy to buy one of these and spend £10k bringing it up to standard, so a thorough PPI would be important. And I do think we will see more coming to the market from mid-summer, so could be more choice.
It’s a late car, nice colour, although prefer Speed Yellow. Desirable Sports Seats, but leather looks tired. Personally I don’t like the yellow instruments or body kit, especially the big rear spoiler - it would look much prettier with the retractable one.
Mileage is on the cusp of 100k, which moves its appeal away from collectors towards regular usage
It’s easy to buy one of these and spend £10k bringing it up to standard, so a thorough PPI would be important. And I do think we will see more coming to the market from mid-summer, so could be more choice.
BrewsterBear said:
Really? A modified C4 with close to 100k miles. Seems it's about its money. Certainly not a bargain.
Modified?If it has 'genuine' RS kit added, that's 3k spend, and whichever version of wheel that is, another four-figure sum, lowered suspension of some kind, in original? pastel yellow, with hardback sport seats, aircon, black interior, then I'd say it was very very keenly priced.
Take the kit off and sell it for a few bags if it offends you to see it on a car with headlight washers and a sunroof.
92k miles is irrelevant - what you need to know is what jobs have been done or not done..... but if I didn't have one already, I'd be on the phone right now.
I didn't claim it was a 'bargain' merely good value, I have been keeping an eye on the air-cooled market for several years (I have a C2 996 but can't justify the step up...yet) and generally the lower end market cars are far less interesting spec.
At £40k it is the first 911 in recent time that has caused me to fire up the mortgage calculator and run the idea by the wife!
It will be interesting to see how the air-cooled market pans out, I am quite impulsive and would rather jump on something like this now rather than hang around hoping the market drops further however my wife doesn't share my view that buying an old 911 is sensible so all rather academic
At £40k it is the first 911 in recent time that has caused me to fire up the mortgage calculator and run the idea by the wife!
It will be interesting to see how the air-cooled market pans out, I am quite impulsive and would rather jump on something like this now rather than hang around hoping the market drops further however my wife doesn't share my view that buying an old 911 is sensible so all rather academic
Having owned a really nice 993 C2 years ago (and sold it for £20K) I really struggle to see the appeal and value in these cars at £40/50K plus, especially when that’s coupled to potential issue they may be hiding now they are that bit older. It’s easy to get carried away with the emotion but there’s other ways I’d personally spend what is after all a good chunk of hard earned cash.
Orangecurry said:
92k miles is irrelevant - what you need to know is what jobs have been done or not done..... but if I didn't have one already, I'd be on the phone right now.
It's refreshing to see that comment about mileage. There are so many 993's out there that may have done 70-80k miles but are still on the original suspension, original aircon which WILL need fixing sooner or later, have never had the seat leather renovated, etc. etc. etc. As you say, very easy to spend £10k because these are old cars and nothing associated with them is cheap. But still people say, "oh look, only 75k miles, that must be a good buy for someone".My car has done 103k and I've spent £20k getting it in to mint condition. Some of that wasn't strictly necessary (example: RSR mufflers from Carnewal) but some of it really was. Anyway, it now needs nothing doing to it. I don't intend to sell it, but if I did, some would say "yeah, it's done over 100k, that'll be hard to sell".
Everyone always trots out "buy on condition not mileage", but I'm not sure they really mean it; we seem obsessed with mileage for some reason.
finmac said:
Having owned a really nice 993 C2 years ago (and sold it for £20K) I really struggle to see the appeal and value in these cars at £40/50K plus, especially when that’s coupled to potential issue they may be hiding now they are that bit older. It’s easy to get carried away with the emotion but there’s other ways I’d personally spend what is after all a good chunk of hard earned cash.
This is a really good point, I am not sure if the 'emotion' side of the buying / owning process would significantly outweigh my current 996. Ironically my 996 is probably in my ideal 993 spec (non-aero, no sunroof, M030, manual, bas black with black leather) but it will never be 'air-cooled' ! I blame the YouTube videos for making me want to be part of the gang!Not sure what you mean by 'emotion'. If it's just the thought of owning 'air cooled' then yes be careful. You may hate it as an owner. Your friends may smirk and ask why you bought such an old car. If it's about the tactile experience the older cars give, the feedback, the control weighting, the way they dismantle and the build quality, the way they reward driver input, and the way they sound, then get one. You can always get new friends. If the car gets under your skin, you won't need any anyway.
That’s the issue with the aircooled cars.
As the years pass, there will be many old, tired, neglected, poorly maintained examples.
Some may look pretty, but disappoint to drive, or always be costing money to get, or keep, right.
But, the best aircooled cars, properly maintained and set up, can be fantastic to own and enjoy. And that’s the challenge - finding the gems at the right price.
Inevitably, some people will always want the newest and latest, so they may never understand this era.
As the years pass, there will be many old, tired, neglected, poorly maintained examples.
Some may look pretty, but disappoint to drive, or always be costing money to get, or keep, right.
But, the best aircooled cars, properly maintained and set up, can be fantastic to own and enjoy. And that’s the challenge - finding the gems at the right price.
Inevitably, some people will always want the newest and latest, so they may never understand this era.
I think I will have to hire one for the day to get a better understanding of whether an air-cooled car would suit me and offer something that would justify the +£30k on top of my existing 911.
If not I will just have to park in the bottom field at Boxengasse and get my fix looking at other peoples air-cooled classics!
If not I will just have to park in the bottom field at Boxengasse and get my fix looking at other peoples air-cooled classics!
roca1976 said:
I think I will have to hire one for the day to get a better understanding of whether an air-cooled car would suit me and offer something that would justify the +£30k on top of my existing 911.
If not I will just have to park in the bottom field at Boxengasse and get my fix looking at other peoples air-cooled classics!
It'll need to be an example in fine fettle and the right spec, otherwise you'll be disappointed and wonder what all the fuss is about.If not I will just have to park in the bottom field at Boxengasse and get my fix looking at other peoples air-cooled classics!
Aircooled at Boxengasse you say ?
Porsche911R said:
sub £50k should net you a 50k miles nice dealer C2.
As that's the main seller and demand, buying anything else is risky and VERY hard to move on so will need to be CHEAPER.
Seriously? You think there are any sub £50k 50k miles ones for sale? Post up a link.As that's the main seller and demand, buying anything else is risky and VERY hard to move on so will need to be CHEAPER.
ETA ohhhh you're the brexit guy - ok no worries, whatever you say.
Edited by Orangecurry on Wednesday 29th April 22:17
Porsche911R said:
4WD is the driving factor on the price here.
that simples.
I’ve had three 993s. Two C2s, both factory ordered from new, and a C4 bought used some years later.that simples.
Interestingly, at the time of launch, and from my own experience, I would say the C4 was actually a nicer drive than the C2.
A huge step forward from the first gen 964 awd - lighter and much better steering and positive ‘turn-in’.
Mine was also a ‘97 Varioram, which, with the RSRs drove and sounded gorgeous.
If I was buying, my criteria would be, Coupe, Manual, narrow body, sports seats, condition, originality, history, ideally lowish mls, varioram, nice colour combination, etc, but C2 or C4 would have equal appeal.
Koln-RS said:
That’s the issue with the aircooled cars.
As the years pass, there will be many old, tired, neglected, poorly maintained examples.
Some may look pretty, but disappoint to drive, or always be costing money to get, or keep, right.
But, the best aircooled cars, properly maintained and set up, can be fantastic to own and enjoy. And that’s the challenge - finding the gems at the right price.
This.As the years pass, there will be many old, tired, neglected, poorly maintained examples.
Some may look pretty, but disappoint to drive, or always be costing money to get, or keep, right.
But, the best aircooled cars, properly maintained and set up, can be fantastic to own and enjoy. And that’s the challenge - finding the gems at the right price.
But it doesn't cost that much or is difficult to 'get right', as long as you as the owner know what is 'right' for you.
So IMHO in today's market it is finding one that doesn't have advanced scuttle rot or rear chassis-legs rot, in a colour you like, and you get it (slowly if needed) to how you want it.
Slippydiff said:
roca1976 said:
I think I will have to hire one for the day to get a better understanding of whether an air-cooled car would suit me and offer something that would justify the +£30k on top of my existing 911.
If not I will just have to park in the bottom field at Boxengasse and get my fix looking at other peoples air-cooled classics!
It'll need to be an example in fine fettle and the right spec, otherwise you'll be disappointed and wonder what all the fuss is about.If not I will just have to park in the bottom field at Boxengasse and get my fix looking at other peoples air-cooled classics!
You need to experience a car where it all comes together for you, so you know you can get your car to the same point.
But as I said above, a 993 still might not suit your driving at all.
As above ,if the car doesn't have a good £10k in invoices IN ADDITION to normal servicing it's a case of caveat emptor.
In the 6years I've had mine, I reckon I've spent the purchase price on it over again.
Wonderful car and a keeper so I personally am happy to give it whatever is needed and more.
In the 6years I've had mine, I reckon I've spent the purchase price on it over again.
Wonderful car and a keeper so I personally am happy to give it whatever is needed and more.
Slippydiff said:
roca1976 said:
I think I will have to hire one for the day to get a better understanding of whether an air-cooled car would suit me and offer something that would justify the +£30k on top of my existing 911.
If not I will just have to park in the bottom field at Boxengasse and get my fix looking at other peoples air-cooled classics!
It'll need to be an example in fine fettle and the right spec, otherwise you'll be disappointed and wonder what all the fuss is about.If not I will just have to park in the bottom field at Boxengasse and get my fix looking at other peoples air-cooled classics!
Aircooled at Boxengasse you say ?
I parked in the naughty field.
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