PAS: To have or not to have?
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I am looking to purchase a Griff 500 on an M plate (94). No power steering. Have been advised this is the norm for the model. Could somebody please advise if this is the case and also is it advisable to wait and get one with the power steering. Model I have seen I've fell in love with. Perfect otherwise. Please leave your feedback.
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If you have found your perfect car, and the slightly heavy feeling of the steering doesn't bother you, especially when parking, I would say go for it.
If you have found your perfect car, and the slightly heavy feeling of the steering doesn't bother you, especially when parking, I would say go for it.
Ah, decisions, decisions.
Driven both and prefer those with. Current car is with: it makes jouneys with bends in them possible as I have arms just one strand of DNA thick. Actually, you'll not notice a difference once up to round-town speed. For parking, I'd compare the non-PAS to the old Golf GTI Mk2 which my 5ft, sub 7 stone X used to manage with minimal grumbling.
For me, factors such as condition and history would be top of the list. PAS is a bonus should you come across it; it's also 'more to go wrong' and consumes energy that could be put down at the wheels.
If there are others who'll also be getting behind the wheel e.g. wife/girlfriend then perhaps they need to make an on road comparison to aid your decision.
Either way, you got the choice of car right!
Driven both and prefer those with. Current car is with: it makes jouneys with bends in them possible as I have arms just one strand of DNA thick. Actually, you'll not notice a difference once up to round-town speed. For parking, I'd compare the non-PAS to the old Golf GTI Mk2 which my 5ft, sub 7 stone X used to manage with minimal grumbling.
For me, factors such as condition and history would be top of the list. PAS is a bonus should you come across it; it's also 'more to go wrong' and consumes energy that could be put down at the wheels.
If there are others who'll also be getting behind the wheel e.g. wife/girlfriend then perhaps they need to make an on road comparison to aid your decision.
Either way, you got the choice of car right!
2Munkys said:
Ah, decisions, decisions.
If there are others who'll also be getting behind the wheel e.g. wife/girlfriend then perhaps they need to make an on road comparison to aid your decision.
Either way, you got the choice of car right!
what are you trying to say?
I know I am not that short (5.6) and I suppose not that small (def not revealing my weight!
), but I am not the strongest of peeps and had no trouble with the Non PAS. It is a try it and see job.
Elizabeth
)Ding said:
Ah, decisions, decisions.
If there are others who'll also be getting behind the wheel e.g. wife/girlfriend then perhaps they need to make an on road comparison to aid your decision.
Either way, you got the choice of car right!
what are you trying to say?
I know I am not that short (5.6) and I suppose not that small (def not revealing my weight!
It is a try it and see job.
Elizabeth
Uh Ho!
Hullo Miss
Is this the start of a 'Ding Dong' Ding
. Thought that within my scrawl I'd managed to convey that even persons as small as those I've previously encountered could manage without PAS. In fact, some of the Hod Carriers I've been out with could manage without the steering wheel. However, I just made the suggestion that those fortunate enough to be getting behind the wheel of the future steed may like to make an evaluation for themselves before the purchase.
'5.6' you say!? You sound perfect to me and glad you don't abbreviate such a wonderful name
Bru
2Munkys said:
[quote=2Munkys]Ah, decisions, decisions.
If there are others who'll also be getting behind the wheel e.g. wife/girlfriend then perhaps they need to make an on road comparison to aid your decision.
Either way, you got the choice of car right!
Is this the start of a 'Ding Dong' Ding
No there will be no 'Ding Dong' it seems that we agree
Right car
Consult better/worse half, if you have too.
Get out there and drive it
Elizabeth
Ps you old smoothie!
Hi,
Just thought i would pass on a word of warning, as I was caught out by this sneaky little trick;
when you go to test drive a non-PAS griff, check the front tyre pressures after your test drive it (they should be 22-24psi). This may sound odd, but the seller of my first Griff had the tyre pressures up at 29 psi to make the steering feel light
Tyre pressure will make a big difference to how heavy the steering feels.
In my case they were actually trying to disguise the fact that there was something wrong with the steering rack/suspension, as the steering column eventually failed (not having test driven other non PAS Griffs at the time, i just assumed it was normally that heavy)
>> Edited by bluebottle on Thursday 16th June 19:15
>> Edited by bluebottle on Thursday 16th June 22:08
Just thought i would pass on a word of warning, as I was caught out by this sneaky little trick;
when you go to test drive a non-PAS griff, check the front tyre pressures after your test drive it (they should be 22-24psi). This may sound odd, but the seller of my first Griff had the tyre pressures up at 29 psi to make the steering feel light
Tyre pressure will make a big difference to how heavy the steering feels.
In my case they were actually trying to disguise the fact that there was something wrong with the steering rack/suspension, as the steering column eventually failed (not having test driven other non PAS Griffs at the time, i just assumed it was normally that heavy)
>> Edited by bluebottle on Thursday 16th June 19:15
>> Edited by bluebottle on Thursday 16th June 22:08
I went for non-PAS. I was persuaded by the "feel" argument, as I very much wanted to get the most from trackdays. I also liked the idea of less to go wrong, and the minimalist/pureness of the whole car spec - no ABS, aircon, etc either. Whether the feel is better than PAS model? I dunno - I never drove a PAS model.
I have wider tyres (225) on the front of mine, which should make the steering even heavier, but I can manage it, and I'm quite weedy! I think the technique is to ensure the car is moving, even slightly, when turning - makes a huge difference. Also, the steering geometry should be correct, I suppose.
Pum
I have wider tyres (225) on the front of mine, which should make the steering even heavier, but I can manage it, and I'm quite weedy!
I think the technique is to ensure the car is moving, even slightly, when turning - makes a huge difference. Also, the steering geometry should be correct, I suppose. Pum
Pum said:
I went for non-PAS. I was persuaded by the "feel" argument, as I very much wanted to get the most from trackdays. I also liked the idea of less to go wrong, and the minimalist/pureness of the whole car spec - no ABS, aircon, etc either.
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Pum said:
I think the technique is to ensure the car is moving, even slightly, when turning - makes a huge difference.
Pum
You should always do this, to reduce the loads on steering/suspension components and the tyre itself. Just cos you can't feel the load so much on a PAS car doesn't mean the load on the components is any lower - it ain't; it's just that the PAS pump assists you in applying the load. In fact if anything the loads are higher cos the rack's lower geared and you tend to turn the wheel more quickly when slow/stationary.
Hotwire said:
Thanks everyone for all your feedback. Looking at possibly my dream Griff tomorrow. It's a pre-cat, 94 on an M. Are there any pointers as to what I should be looking for?
Are you sure about a pre cat! on a 94 reg.
CATS came in in Jan 93, (FOR UK cars) unless an import I would think a 94 M car is a 500, maybe with the CAT removed, ALL original precats would be a 4.0/4.3L car
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