Which 1000cc naked next?

[jakeharvey63]

So I’ve broken up with the missus at the end of last year, we still live together and it’s all pretty amicable! The plan was to sell the house and go our separate ways, but with house prices looking to take a hit due to corona, my situation looks to continue for a little longer!

I was going to sell my street triple which I loved due to the impending house sale and nowhere to store it, but I have been able to save quite a bit since January so fancy another bike change whilst we still have a summer!

I want a 1000cc+ naked. It must have character, no IL4’s, the ability to scare me, and enough poke to lift the front wheel off of the throttle and around the £5k-£8k mark. And hoping not to lose much money come resale.

Speed triple (too much like the street but love the styling and triple motor)
MT10 (love the CP4 engine note, used to love the styling but not so sure anymore, reliable)
Superduke (probably my favourite looking bike but worried about reliability as looking at mk1)
Tuono (Italian reliability and looking closer to £10k
S1000r (IL4, expensive in parts but I do like the odd styling)
Ducati monster 1200 (expensive on parts, Italian reliability)

Am I missing some bikes here, am welcome to ideas....

[anonymous-user]

If it were my money then I would be spending it on the super duke for outright fun

[bogie]

I would get what ive been riding for the last 5 years, MV Brutale 1090RR its an IL4 ....it does not sounds like one though with the airbox snorkels removed and aftermarket pipe Its based on the previous gen F4 platform. Mine has been faultless for 14k miles. About 170bhp with a full system/remap.

You can get a real nice one for £6-8K and they have depreciated most by then down from £15k list when new.

[smithyithy]

Bloody hell that MV is nice..

OP it's a tough choice really, lots of good bikes in that range.. I'd probably be leaning towards a Tuono - IF you can find one within budget. The V4 engine note with a pipe is disgustingly nice and the Aprilia does seem to get a lot of praise..

[bogie]

A Tuono V4 is easy in budget, the riding position is more sporty than the Brutale, I found the legs just a bit more cramped. The Brutale riding position is virtually bolt upright. More modern electronics package on Tuono . The Brutale is a generation older tech than Tuono, you just get traction control and ABS and 2 map options, sport and rain.

[CaptainSlow]

what about a 2010/2011 v2 Tuono?

eta...£5k would get a minter or maybe a Factory.

Edited by CaptainSlow on Sunday 3rd May 18:17

[airsafari87]

S1000R owner here and from that list in order I'd go.

1. Tuono
2. S1000R
3. Speed Triple
4. Monster
5. Superduke R
6. MT10

[MrGman]

airsafari87 said:

S1000R owner here and from that list in order I'd go.

1. Tuono
2. S1000R
3. Speed Triple
4. Monster
5. Superduke R
6. MT10

I’ve been considering a S1000r myself recently, what year and mileage is yours? Has it been pretty good reliability wise? That’s the biggest concern of mine with the BMW.
I know all bikes have issues but it really does seem a common subject with BMW.

[WarnieV6GT]

I had this choice a few months ago and was all set on the superduke until I saw a used 2017 speed triple r at a Ducati dealership.

The fit and finish on the triumph clinched it for me. Tbf it only had 1350miles on it so it was like new, whereas the superduke just felt a level below quality wise. That engine though would have easily made up for it no doubt.

I change bikes regularly so a superduke will be arriving in the next few years but it would have to be a mk2 or the 3.

Aprilia will probably be next though as that sound they make is something else. Properly exotic.

The MT10 is too thirsty and those looks that I really liked when it was launched, just dont do it for me anymore.

No desire at all to try the BMW for some reason.

[MrGman]

WarnieV6GT said:

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The MT10 is too thirsty and those looks that I really liked when it was launched, just dont do it for me anymore.

No desire at all to try the BMW for some reason.

I was looking at the speed rs, I’ve had a few triumphs now and they’ve all been great but I just fancy something completely different.

I’m the opposite with the MT10, hated it at launch but it’s really grown on me over the years.

I’ve ridden the S1000r and it’s a cracking bike but I must admit I don’t find it quite as exciting as some of the others.

[Esceptico]

bogie said:

I would get what ive been riding for the last 5 years, MV Brutale 1090RR its an IL4 ....it does not sounds like one though with the airbox snorkels removed and aftermarket pipe Its based on the previous gen F4 platform. Mine has been faultless for 14k miles. About 170bhp with a full system/remap.

You can get a real nice one for £6-8K and they have depreciated most by then down from £15k list when new.

I’m not normally a fan of the Brutale but that looks amazing. Is it standard apart from the pipes or have you made other cosmetic changes?

[patchb]

CaptainSlow said:

what about a 2010/2011 v2 Tuono?

eta...£5k would get a minter or maybe a Factory.

Edited by CaptainSlow on Sunday 3rd May 18:17

I have one and I absolutely love it, however I wouldn’t really consider it with the OP’s budget. I’d definitely be looking at a V4 Tuono though, preferably an 1100 model. The V2 tuono is great, not lacking in punch despite what the power figures say (claimed 138bhp from memory) handles well and feels very well built but it’s definitely a bit dated in terms of technology. If something quite raw with 0 rider aids is appealing then I guess it would be worth looking at!

[CaptainSlow]

patchb said:

I have one and I absolutely love it, however I wouldn’t really consider it with the OP’s budget. I’d definitely be looking at a V4 Tuono though, preferably an 1100 model. The V2 tuono is great, not lacking in punch despite what the power figures say (claimed 138bhp from memory) handles well and feels very well built but it’s definitely a bit dated in terms of technology. If something quite raw with 0 rider aids is appealing then I guess it would be worth looking at!

To be honest it fits the OPs brief perfectly. V2 engine, wont lose much money if any...enough power, go for a 2010 model and it will have the lower power stator so pretty reliable. I have one on my shopping list.

[C8]

MrGman said:

WarnieV6GT said:

No desire at all to try the BMW for some reason.

I’ve ridden the S1000r and it’s a cracking bike but I must admit I don’t find it quite as exciting as some of the others.

They're brilliant but definitely lack character over some of the alternatives. Dealer pricing pretty steep for everything and they offered peanuts at 2 years old on a part exchange so I can't say they hold their money well either. Although that would be a good thing for the OP buying a used one.

[patchb]

I think the 370W stator was on 08 onwards bikes and 500w previous which are the ones that fail. Mine is a 2009 so not affected, I’ve had it 4 years and the only thing I’ve had to replace other than usual service items and brake pads etc. was a speed sensor, this rendered the bike completely unusable but not a common issue as far as I know.
I’ve ridden both R and Factory models and the forged wheels on the factory do make a difference however the suspension isn’t massively different, I’d actually argue the R suspension is better on the road than the factory Ohlins although the factory I rode wasn’t set up for me. Also don’t have to deal with that gold frame on an R model!! Mines going to go up for sale shortly as I’ve moved so need a narrower bike so going to change to an RSV4 probably.

[airsafari87]

MrGman said:

I’ve been considering a S1000r myself recently, what year and mileage is yours? Has it been pretty good reliability wise? That’s the biggest concern of mine with the BMW.
I know all bikes have issues but it really does seem a common subject with BMW.

I'm on to my 2nd one now.
1st was a 2017 model which I did approx 18k miles on. Only problem I had with it was to do with the cruise control but BMW replaced that with no question under warranty. Other than that it has been faultless.

I picked up a 19 plate in November after being offered a deal on ot couldnt walk away from.
For a little over 10k I got a 19 plate bike which had been one of the salesmens bikes for the past 3 months and had covered 1k miles.
Came already fitted with -
HP levers.
HP Rearsets & Pillion pegs.
HP brake and clutch lever protectors.
Carbon front mud guard.
Carbon hugger.
Carbon fly screen.
Carbon front sprocket cover.
And a new set of tyres. Which are Bridgestone S21's and will be coming off as soon as we can get back out again.

It is true that they are character less if you compare them to say a V twin. But for me? All the character I need is a bike that is batsh*t quick and had the ability to make you involuntarily giggle after your first WOT blast through all of the gears.

Right now the only bike I would swap it for is a Tuono, but as I occasionally carry a pillion that is off the list for me at the moment unfortunately as I would really love one.

Dealer wise. I've bought both of mine from the BMW dealer in Sunderland and I've had nothing but great service from everyone I've dealt with there.

[CaptainSlow]

patchb said:

I think the 370W stator was on 08 onwards bikes and 500w previous which are the ones that fail. Mine is a 2009 so not affected, I’ve had it 4 years and the only thing I’ve had to replace other than usual service items and brake pads etc. was a speed sensor, this rendered the bike completely unusable but not a common issue as far as I know.
I’ve ridden both R and Factory models and the forged wheels on the factory do make a difference however the suspension isn’t massively different, I’d actually argue the R suspension is better on the road than the factory Ohlins although the factory I rode wasn’t set up for me. Also don’t have to deal with that gold frame on an R model!! Mines going to go up for sale shortly as I’ve moved so need a narrower bike so going to change to an RSV4 probably.

Interesting, what colour is yours and what miles?

The smaller stator is on engine number 8176929 onwards.

[patchb]

CaptainSlow said:

Interesting, what colour is yours and what miles?

The smaller stator is on engine number 8176929 onwards.

Mine is Code orange (pearlescent orange, pretty rare!) on 18K and obviously not going up right now. I wouldn’t even be considering selling but I have to squeeze it between my house an next door and it’s very tight, especially on the exhausts which are titanium akras so I’d rather not scuff them! Anyway I don’t want to derail the OPs thread anymore but here’s a pic:

[pmr01]

airsafari87 said:

MrGman said:

I’ve been considering a S1000r myself recently, what year and mileage is yours? Has it been pretty good reliability wise? That’s the biggest concern of mine with the BMW.
I know all bikes have issues but it really does seem a common subject with BMW.

I'm on to my 2nd one now.
1st was a 2017 model which I did approx 18k miles on. Only problem I had with it was to do with the cruise control but BMW replaced that with no question under warranty. Other than that it has been faultless.

I picked up a 19 plate in November after being offered a deal on ot couldnt walk away from.
For a little over 10k I got a 19 plate bike which had been one of the salesmens bikes for the past 3 months and had covered 1k miles.
Came already fitted with -
HP levers.
HP Rearsets & Pillion pegs.
HP brake and clutch lever protectors.
Carbon front mud guard.
Carbon hugger.
Carbon fly screen.
Carbon front sprocket cover.
And a new set of tyres. Which are Bridgestone S21's and will be coming off as soon as we can get back out again.

It is true that they are character less if you compare them to say a V twin. But for me? All the character I need is a bike that is batsh*t quick and had the ability to make you involuntarily giggle after your first WOT blast through all of the gears.

Right now the only bike I would swap it for is a Tuono, but as I occasionally carry a pillion that is off the list for me at the moment unfortunately as I would really love one.

Dealer wise. I've bought both of mine from the BMW dealer in Sunderland and I've had nothing but great service from everyone I've dealt with there.

So....this may be an off message post but here goes.

I have had an s1000r for over five years now and just recently purchased a tuono 1100 factory to replace it. As life has changed a little bit, i have got the two of them side by side.

Yes...the engine has a shed load more character but the jerkiness of the tuono throttle response makes it far more difficult to ride.

I 'think' the tuono may end up being quicker than the s1000r, but the BM is far from a slouch, nowhere near it and it is always ready to go. Performance, there cant be a massive amount in it.

Brakes; sure someone will explain the differences between the two sets of brembos, but the s1000r feels stronger in this area.

Ride and handling. Interesting one...the tuono has shown some unusual behaviours especially when it goes over that st grippy surface stuff. However, it has far better ride quality and also seems to be more stable. BM seems to be far more eager than the tuono into a corner, but flighty with it. I have nearly bought an Ohlins steering damper so many times as i believe that makes a world of difference.

Gearbox - BM MILES better....but i have never ever driven a better gearbox on a bike. the s1000rr that the r replaced wasn't as good.

Economy...the tunono doesnt seem to be that good but i havent done too many miles yet. BM mpg has sat at 45 since the day i got it...well, varied between 44 and 46.

Wind protection etc...tuono is a lot better than the BM as befits the bigger fairing. Cant say i notice any difference in comfort but after i come off riding them, my wrists do seem sorer after the tuono....it also feels a wee bitty heavier overall. The BM is really st for cruising at speed because a) it is ridiculously low geared (pulls really hard from 2k revs in sixth) b) the engine is quite buzzy. You seem to need to go about 85 before it 'quietens' down.

Reliability and quality - i think the BM may take that one as well to be honest. The solidity of the bike after five years is feckin impressive.

in summary, i think i bought a little bit too much into the 'characterless' jibes that i read about the BM hence i went to the Aprillia. If you just want to enjoy the biking experience with minimal overhead on an impressive machine, the BM is a really good package. I think i have decided to keep them both and see how things play out when the lockdown slackens...i really want to 'learn' the aprillia and see if it as good as people say.

Incidentally, i nearly bought a superduke but missed out on the good deals. I have had various KTMs and thought i would like it. Maybe next time.

[Esceptico]

I just bought a new Tuono factory but used to own an S1000R about 5 years ago.

I really enjoyed the BMW. I actually don’t mind IL4 - quite like the ease of use and the howl at the top end. Never had any problems with the BMW. Think I had it about 18 months and rode it through the winter (when it was dry and not too cold). The heated grips were great.

Only real issue I had with the bike was the wing mirrors. Above 60 absolutely useless. If exceeding the speed limit (ahem) I do like to know what is behind me as well as in front.

I’ve not really ridden the Tuono enough to make a proper judgement (owing to the lockdown). Four rides and just 600 km to date. So far it has been great. It replaced a GSXR 750 that was also brilliant but what I like about the Tuono is the instant shove that you get with a big engine. Makes overtaking more relaxing. There are lots of tight bends on the roads I ride here in NZ and having wider bars makes it easier too.

Downsides: around town it isn’t as easy as the BMW was as it doesn’t seem to like sitting at the same speed with second feeling a gear too low but third a gear too high. That is nit picking though and I try to avoid riding in town anyway.

The Tuono feels a lot more special that the BMW as well.

List price of the Tuono is higher but I think there are plenty of good deals. Depends how you look at it though. Yes compared to the competition it is higher but when you consider how close it is to the RSV4 (in practice on the road I doubt you will often benefit from the higher top end of the RSV4) it seems a bit of a bargain.