Contact tracing begins on the IOW!
Discussion
Interesting start point given the population demographic!
Is this a test of the technology, as I cannot believe the IOW has a representative spread of BAME people in our community, who appear to be the most affected by the virus, or are more Islanders (six toed and webbed feet, haha!) the highest number of downloaders of the App??
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52521526
Is this a test of the technology, as I cannot believe the IOW has a representative spread of BAME people in our community, who appear to be the most affected by the virus, or are more Islanders (six toed and webbed feet, haha!) the highest number of downloaders of the App??
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52521526
Edited by pequod on Sunday 3rd May 18:49
How does contact tracing actually help?
You get an anonymous alert to say you came into contact with someone, but as you don't know who it was, you can't make a judgment as to how much you should worry about it - because the apps don't appear to track time exposed etc.
You can't have everyone who gets an alert either isolating or going for a test.
You get an anonymous alert to say you came into contact with someone, but as you don't know who it was, you can't make a judgment as to how much you should worry about it - because the apps don't appear to track time exposed etc.
You can't have everyone who gets an alert either isolating or going for a test.
king arthur said:
I believe the rationale is that if things get out of hand they can just nuke it from orbit and no-one else will notice.
No need for such expenditure, or drama. The IOW ferry service has already been reduced to a minimum so cutting the Island's regular provision of alcohol will implode the local inhabitants, pdq!TurnedEmo said:
How does contact tracing actually help?
You get an anonymous alert to say you came into contact with someone, but as you don't know who it was, you can't make a judgment as to how much you should worry about it - because the apps don't appear to track time exposed etc.
You can't have everyone who gets an alert either isolating or going for a test.
Two options:You get an anonymous alert to say you came into contact with someone, but as you don't know who it was, you can't make a judgment as to how much you should worry about it - because the apps don't appear to track time exposed etc.
You can't have everyone who gets an alert either isolating or going for a test.
1. Avoid contact with everyone
2. Have close intimate contact with everyone you meet
frisbee said:
TurnedEmo said:
How does contact tracing actually help?
You get an anonymous alert to say you came into contact with someone, but as you don't know who it was, you can't make a judgment as to how much you should worry about it - because the apps don't appear to track time exposed etc.
You can't have everyone who gets an alert either isolating or going for a test.
Two options:You get an anonymous alert to say you came into contact with someone, but as you don't know who it was, you can't make a judgment as to how much you should worry about it - because the apps don't appear to track time exposed etc.
You can't have everyone who gets an alert either isolating or going for a test.
1. Avoid contact with everyone
2. Have close intimate contact with everyone you meet
I think the idea is probably you don't make a judgement, you do what it tells you. If you get an alert, you isolate until you can be tested or for 14 days, whichever is less. How this will be enforced is anyone's guess.
It was proposed to have two levels of alert, an amber and a red - amber would trigger for having been in contact with someone who's shown symptoms but hasn't had it confirmed by a test, or red for contact with someone who later actually tests positive. Not sure whether that's actually being implemented or not. And not sure whether or how what action you have to take would differ between the two....
frisbee said:
Two options:
1. Avoid contact with everyone
2. Have close intimate contact with everyone you meet
That might work on the IOW?1. Avoid contact with everyone
2. Have close intimate contact with everyone you meet
However, if this a test to prove the tech, I find it bizarre to start in this little community where the mobile phone coverage is limited across the island and many of the inhabitants probably won't have the latest iphone or anything other than a basic loud hailer!!
pequod said:
frisbee said:
Two options:
1. Avoid contact with everyone
2. Have close intimate contact with everyone you meet
That might work on the IOW?1. Avoid contact with everyone
2. Have close intimate contact with everyone you meet
However, if this a test to prove the tech, I find it bizarre to start in this little community where the mobile phone coverage is limited across the island and many of the inhabitants probably won't have the latest iphone or anything other than a basic loud hailer!!
If they don't do that they're into a whole world of signing up people for beta testing, using developer certificates to put it onto peoples phones etc.
I suspect they'll be testing on a limited number of people on loaner phones. Maybe wrong though.
pip t said:
pequod said:
frisbee said:
Two options:
1. Avoid contact with everyone
2. Have close intimate contact with everyone you meet
That might work on the IOW?1. Avoid contact with everyone
2. Have close intimate contact with everyone you meet
However, if this a test to prove the tech, I find it bizarre to start in this little community where the mobile phone coverage is limited across the island and many of the inhabitants probably won't have the latest iphone or anything other than a basic loud hailer!!
If they don't do that they're into a whole world of signing up people for beta testing, using developer certificates to put it onto peoples phones etc.
I suspect they'll be testing on a limited number of people on loaner phones. Maybe wrong though.
However, are they testing to see if the public will send 'false positive' alerts just for s
ts and giggles? Probably, and maybe a good place to start before rolling it out in a larger community!pip t said:
The app will have a threshold of contact time. So it will be set to only register a contact if it detects proximity for, for example, 10 minutes.
I think the idea is probably you don't make a judgement, you do what it tells you. If you get an alert, you isolate until you can be tested or for 14 days, whichever is less. How this will be enforced is anyone's guess.
It was proposed to have two levels of alert, an amber and a red - amber would trigger for having been in contact with someone who's shown symptoms but hasn't had it confirmed by a test, or red for contact with someone who later actually tests positive. Not sure whether that's actually being implemented or not. And not sure whether or how what action you have to take would differ between the two....
Hmmm, the tech. articles I've read suggest the apps currently in use are nowhere near as intelligent as that. They also don't differentiate between indoor and outdoor contact.I think the idea is probably you don't make a judgement, you do what it tells you. If you get an alert, you isolate until you can be tested or for 14 days, whichever is less. How this will be enforced is anyone's guess.
It was proposed to have two levels of alert, an amber and a red - amber would trigger for having been in contact with someone who's shown symptoms but hasn't had it confirmed by a test, or red for contact with someone who later actually tests positive. Not sure whether that's actually being implemented or not. And not sure whether or how what action you have to take would differ between the two....
I can see a complete clusterf
k of a situation brewing where there are so many false alerts the economy just grinds to a halt and loses any momentum it manages to gather post-lockdown.Living on the Island I find it odd we have been chosen. My parents and my wife’s parents 70/80 don’t have smartphones. Thinking of my customer base and a lot in that age group don’t have a phone at all, I don’t have one and I am early 50s. Hard to see how it will be useful in certain parts of the Island. We still have no coverage for mobiles in certain places.
Ziplobb said:
Living on the Island I find it odd we have been chosen. My parents and my wife’s parents 70/80 don’t have smartphones. Thinking of my customer base and a lot in that age group don’t have a phone at all, I don’t have one and I am early 50s. Hard to see how it will be useful in certain parts of the Island. We still have no coverage for mobiles in certain places.
Exactly why I questioned the proposal to start a trial on the island. Very odd.TurnedEmo said:
pip t said:
The app will have a threshold of contact time. So it will be set to only register a contact if it detects proximity for, for example, 10 minutes.
I think the idea is probably you don't make a judgement, you do what it tells you. If you get an alert, you isolate until you can be tested or for 14 days, whichever is less. How this will be enforced is anyone's guess.
It was proposed to have two levels of alert, an amber and a red - amber would trigger for having been in contact with someone who's shown symptoms but hasn't had it confirmed by a test, or red for contact with someone who later actually tests positive. Not sure whether that's actually being implemented or not. And not sure whether or how what action you have to take would differ between the two....
Hmmm, the tech. articles I've read suggest the apps currently in use are nowhere near as intelligent as that. They also don't differentiate between indoor and outdoor contact.I think the idea is probably you don't make a judgement, you do what it tells you. If you get an alert, you isolate until you can be tested or for 14 days, whichever is less. How this will be enforced is anyone's guess.
It was proposed to have two levels of alert, an amber and a red - amber would trigger for having been in contact with someone who's shown symptoms but hasn't had it confirmed by a test, or red for contact with someone who later actually tests positive. Not sure whether that's actually being implemented or not. And not sure whether or how what action you have to take would differ between the two....
I can see a complete clusterf
k of a situation brewing where there are so many false alerts the economy just grinds to a halt and loses any momentum it manages to gather post-lockdown.The separate alerts was mentioned initially, but it's true I haven't heard anything of that recently.
No they, won't differentiate between indoors and outdoors, but the alternative is GPS, which doesn't work at all indoors, and brings even more privacy concerns.
In the end it's far from perfect I agree - there'll certainly be issues with it. Probably worth trying it on balance though.
pequod said:
Ziplobb said:
Living on the Island I find it odd we have been chosen. My parents and my wife’s parents 70/80 don’t have smartphones. Thinking of my customer base and a lot in that age group don’t have a phone at all, I don’t have one and I am early 50s. Hard to see how it will be useful in certain parts of the Island. We still have no coverage for mobiles in certain places.
Exactly why I questioned the proposal to start a trial on the island. Very odd.MitchT said:
Apparently it uses bluetooth. Ha ha! Good luck getting me to have my bluetooth permanently on given the way my phone ripped through it's battery on the odd occasion that I used it in the past.
It does. And interestingly (And slightly disturbingly) the Australian version of a Covid app is capable of letting it's server know whether you turn your bluetooth off or not....Ziplobb said:
Living on the Island I find it odd we have been chosen. My parents and my wife’s parents 70/80 don’t have smartphones. Thinking of my customer base and a lot in that age group don’t have a phone at all, I don’t have one and I am early 50s. Hard to see how it will be useful in certain parts of the Island. We still have no coverage for mobiles in certain places.
I live in Ryde and work near Calbourne. Like most of the UK, the mobile reception is fine in most populous areas on the island even out near Brighstone. Ventnor seafront can be hit and miss on Vodafone thoughI am unsure of the tech used, but if it is Bluetooth there will be no need for continual mobile reception anyway.
However, until reading this I was unaware it had been proposed.
mike9009 said:
I live in Ryde and work near Calbourne. Like most of the UK, the mobile reception is fine in most populous areas on the island even out near Brighstone. Ventnor seafront can be hit and miss on Vodafone though
I am unsure of the tech used, but if it is Bluetooth there will be no need for continual mobile reception anyway.
However, until reading this I was unaware it had been proposed.
Bluetooth and GPS, so it only needs a data connection to report back to big brother. I guess it will cache it if there's no data connection.I am unsure of the tech used, but if it is Bluetooth there will be no need for continual mobile reception anyway.
However, until reading this I was unaware it had been proposed.
mike9009 said:
Ziplobb said:
Living on the Island I find it odd we have been chosen. My parents and my wife’s parents 70/80 don’t have smartphones. Thinking of my customer base and a lot in that age group don’t have a phone at all, I don’t have one and I am early 50s. Hard to see how it will be useful in certain parts of the Island. We still have no coverage for mobiles in certain places.
I live in Ryde and work near Calbourne. Like most of the UK, the mobile reception is fine in most populous areas on the island even out near Brighstone. Ventnor seafront can be hit and miss on Vodafone thoughI am unsure of the tech used, but if it is Bluetooth there will be no need for continual mobile reception anyway.
However, until reading this I was unaware it had been proposed.
I can see this would be an ideal, fairly isolated, community to test the theory and a couple of 'planted' + testers to see how the proposed system works on the ground, may provide confidence in this 'track and trace' proposal as a way out of lockdown.
Interesting experiment though.
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