Future of UK car manufacturing
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mjsbrabus

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8 posts

102 months

Monday 4th May 2020
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Just came across a picture I took in 2016 at the largely empty SAAB factory at Trolhatten.

And it crossed my mind - what will the UK car industry look like in a couple of years after the full impact of Brexit and this Cononavirus fiasco??


Derek Smith

48,978 posts

272 months

Monday 4th May 2020
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From what I understand, the grass will be much greener.

greygoose

9,422 posts

219 months

Monday 4th May 2020
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McLaren will be churning out variations on the same car still. BMW will be making even bigger Minis. Morgan and Caterham will be doing what they have always done.

anonymous-user

78 months

Monday 4th May 2020
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greygoose said:
McLaren will be churning out variations on the same car still.
A certain YouTuber would disagree with that...

powerstroke

10,283 posts

184 months

Monday 4th May 2020
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mjsbrabus said:
Just came across a picture I took in 2016 at the largely empty SAAB factory at Trolhatten.

And it crossed my mind - what will the UK car industry look like in a couple of years after the full impact of Brexit and this Cononavirus fiasco??

No that will be what the european car industry will look like post brexit/ CV if the EU carries on as they are at the moment!!

Pebbles167

4,486 posts

176 months

Monday 4th May 2020
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powerstruggle said:
greygoose said:
McLaren will be churning out variations on the same car still.
A certain YouTuber would disagree with that...
And I'd tend to agree with him, if their customer service doesn't improve somewhat.

powerstroke

10,283 posts

184 months

Tuesday 5th May 2020
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anonymous said:
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You think !!! a little research might be helpful ,
However you could be right about where our white goods cars come from if the EU want to continue with the
"how dare you leave our club we will punish you as a warning to others rhetoric" ...

tangerine_sedge

6,255 posts

242 months

Tuesday 5th May 2020
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Derek Smith said:
From what I understand, the grass will be much greener.
Deserves a laugh

PRTVR

8,097 posts

245 months

Tuesday 5th May 2020
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mjsbrabus said:
Just came across a picture I took in 2016 at the largely empty SAAB factory at Trolhatten.

And it crossed my mind - what will the UK car industry look like in a couple of years after the full impact of Brexit and this Cononavirus fiasco??
The main thing that is destroying the car industry is the green movement, the government is a full paid up member and intends to get rid of ICEs ,that has lead to people not buying as many cars, this will lead to uneconomic car plants/companies that will not have the money to invest in changing to electric so will reduce the number of factories,
Honda is a good example, the government told them diesel was the future so they designed and built at considerable expense a diesel engine, a few years down the line they are told electric is the future, so they shut the Swindon factory because it is uneconomic to convert the factory, the factory was borderline on profit running ICE.

Jediworrier

434 posts

212 months

Tuesday 5th May 2020
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It's OK, the new TVR will be along soon.

Fittster

20,120 posts

237 months

Tuesday 5th May 2020
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Even the only economist who thought Brexit was a good idea, Patrick Minford told MPs on Westminster’s Foreign Affairs committee that car manufacturers in the UK would have to be wound down if Britain left the EU.

In the run up to the referendum in 2016, he also said that Brexit would "eliminate" manufacturing.


anonymous-user

78 months

Tuesday 5th May 2020
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Fittster said:
Even the only economist who thought Brexit was a good idea, Patrick Minford told MPs on Westminster’s Foreign Affairs committee that car manufacturers in the UK would have to be wound down if Britain left the EU.

In the run up to the referendum in 2016, he also said that Brexit would "eliminate" manufacturing.
This.

We shouldn’t be expecting anything to be left of UK manufacturing.

As you correctly state, the chief economist of the Leave campaign said “Brexit would lead to running down of the car industry in the same way we ran down the coal and steel industries”.

As pointed out by Fittster, he also said that UK manufacturing in general would be ‘Eliminated’ after Brexit.

So there you have it. I don’t know why anyone is expecting anything else.

Brexit was voted for, and elimination of manufacturing will no doubt be delivered as expected.

A Winner Is You

25,844 posts

251 months

Tuesday 5th May 2020
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Lord Marylebone said:
Fittster said:
Even the only economist who thought Brexit was a good idea, Patrick Minford told MPs on Westminster’s Foreign Affairs committee that car manufacturers in the UK would have to be wound down if Britain left the EU.

In the run up to the referendum in 2016, he also said that Brexit would "eliminate" manufacturing.
This.

We shouldn’t be expecting anything to be left of UK manufacturing.

As you correctly state, the chief economist of the Leave campaign said “Brexit would lead to running down of the car industry in the same way we ran down the coal and steel industries”.

As pointed out by Fittster, he also said that UK manufacturing in general would be ‘Eliminated’ after Brexit.

So there you have it. I don’t know why anyone is expecting anything else.

Brexit was voted for, and elimination of manufacturing will no doubt be delivered as expected.
We were told the same thing would happen if we didn't join the Euro, and being in the EU didn't do Rover much good.

anonymous-user

78 months

Wednesday 6th May 2020
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A Winner Is You said:
We were told the same thing would happen if we didn't join the Euro, and being in the EU didn't do Rover much good.
So what you are saying is that the chief economist of the Leave campaign was either completely clueless or lying.

I’ll be honest, that isn’t comforting whichever way you look at it.


Edited to add: Rover's product was generally poor compared to the offerings from Europe and Japan. How much longer would Rover have lasted anyway against competitors, irrespective of EU membership?

Edited by anonymous-user on Wednesday 6th May 13:20

tangerine_sedge

6,255 posts

242 months

Wednesday 6th May 2020
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A Winner Is You said:
We were told the same thing would happen if we didn't join the Euro, and being in the EU didn't do Rover much good.
No, but we did get Honda & Toyota, so that they could sell into Europe.

rev-erend

21,608 posts

308 months

Wednesday 6th May 2020
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Jediworrier said:
It's OK, the new TVR will be along soon.
rofl

s2art

18,942 posts

277 months

Wednesday 6th May 2020
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Fittster said:
Even the only economist who thought Brexit was a good idea, Patrick Minford told MPs on Westminster’s Foreign Affairs committee that car manufacturers in the UK would have to be wound down if Britain left the EU.

In the run up to the referendum in 2016, he also said that Brexit would "eliminate" manufacturing.
Except he didnt say that.

'First, he quotes my remark about the ‘elimination’ of manucfaturing. That remark concerned the ‘metal-bashing’ end; my point, as elaborated around it, was that manufacturing would raise productivity as it has in the past by going up the value chain and becoming more hi-tech. Given the UK’s comparative advantage in such skill-intensive industry, this could well imply a substantial expansion in that part of manufacturing.

anonymous-user

78 months

Wednesday 6th May 2020
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Jediworrier said:
It's OK, the new TVR will be along soon.
The question is will it be 10 years out of date or 15?

mx5nut

5,404 posts

106 months

Wednesday 6th May 2020
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Fittster said:
Even the only economist who thought Brexit was a good idea, Patrick Minford told MPs on Westminster’s Foreign Affairs committee that car manufacturers in the UK would have to be wound down if Britain left the EU.

In the run up to the referendum in 2016, he also said that Brexit would "eliminate" manufacturing.
Who needs manufacturing when you have a blue cover on your passport?

A Winner Is You

25,844 posts

251 months

Wednesday 6th May 2020
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tangerine_sedge said:
A Winner Is You said:
We were told the same thing would happen if we didn't join the Euro, and being in the EU didn't do Rover much good.
No, but we did get Honda & Toyota, so that they could sell into Europe.
Toyota were threatening to pull out

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2000/jan/18/e...