PC monitor with TV tuner
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triumph-ant

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265 months

Monday 11th May 2020
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Any ideas if such a monitor exists?

I want a TV that will work well as a monitor, or a monitor that will work ok as a TV.

We have a computer/monitor in the front room that the in-laws often stay in, and if they want to watch the news, they can't seem to handle anything more than a simple TV (e.g. no TV cards in the PC, or set top boxes etc.). I want to just set it to 'TV' mode for them.

I'm more interested in the monitor spec with TV secondary, but only play Forza 4 so gaming performance isn't crucial.



QuartzDad

3,000 posts

152 months

Monday 11th May 2020
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I use a 10 year old LG 27" TV/monitor as a monitor at home, looks like they still sell them: https://www.lg.com/uk/tv-monitors

anonymous-user

84 months

Monday 11th May 2020
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Can't you just use a tv as a tv and a monitor? Rather than the other way round? I have always used a tv as a screen for my mac, and can (could) watch tv on it by just changing the channel

megaphone

11,693 posts

281 months

Monday 11th May 2020
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The main issue is resolution, most smaller TVs will only have 1920x 1080 (full HD). Probably fine for most PC stuff however you really want a UHD/4K TV 3840x2160.

What screen size do you want?

Phunk

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201 months

Monday 11th May 2020
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hucumber said:
Can't you just use a tv as a tv and a monitor? Rather than the other way round? I have always used a tv as a screen for my mac, and can (could) watch tv on it by just changing the channel
This - just buy a TV and plug in the computer into it.

Pachydermus

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142 months

Monday 11th May 2020
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megaphone said:
Probably fine for most PC stuff however you really want a UHD/4K TV 3840x2160.
Why?

triumph-ant said:
they can't seem to handle anything more than a simple TV (e.g. no TV cards in the PC, or set top boxes etc.)

triumph-ant

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Monday 11th May 2020
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hucumber said:
Can't you just use a tv as a tv and a monitor? Rather than the other way round?
Yes, this is probably the best route. I've had issues with old tvs and strange scaling over VGA, but I guess I'll be ok with HDMI inputs now.

Size would be about 28 ins. I've seen the LGs that are still made - this are only 1366x768, so I'll keep looking.

paulrockliffe

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257 months

Monday 11th May 2020
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Do they have a proper phone? If so might be as easy to teach them how to watch TV on their phone and how to use ChromeCast. Chromecast will turn the TV on too, so they don't have to interact with anything of yours.

triumph-ant

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paulrockliffe said:
...might be as easy to teach them how to watch TV on their phone
eekargueshoot

No.

Just no.

No, no, no.

They couldn't turn on a computer, even with us describing where the power button was and what it looked like. I came home and pressed the button, and they looked at me with childlike wonder!




megaphone

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281 months

Monday 11th May 2020
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Pachydermus said:
megaphone said:
Probably fine for most PC stuff however you really want a UHD/4K TV 3840x2160.
Why?

triumph-ant said:
they can't seem to handle anything more than a simple TV (e.g. no TV cards in the PC, or set top boxes etc.)
Why what?

paulrockliffe

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257 months

Monday 11th May 2020
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triumph-ant said:
paulrockliffe said:
...might be as easy to teach them how to watch TV on their phone
eekargueshoot

No.

Just no.

No, no, no.

They couldn't turn on a computer, even with us describing where the power button was and what it looked like. I came home and pressed the button, and they looked at me with childlike wonder!
Ha ha, fair enough. Might be easiest to give them a bell to ring for service then?

I was just thinking if they have their own phone that they're familiar with it might be a simple route to let them use what they already know. I don't think that sounds much different to using a TV remote that they're not familiar with, though if you pay enough for a TV they often come with a cut-down remote with just a few buttons on.

I think using a TV as your monitor is going to be the best bet, as the few monitors with TV built in will not have had any money spent on the TV side so the remote will be cheap badly thought out rubbish. If they use the EPG, it'll be terrible and slow. And the HDMI computer connection will likely default it on power-on to the computer, leaving them looking for the []-> button. Or the bell.

Get a 32" 4K TV, it'll be good enough for your computing, really good, and is still a TV. Disconnect the PC when it's to be used as a TV to avoid the HDMI issue, if you can't change it int he Setup. Possibly a rubbish HDMI cable would have the same effect.

The_Jackal

4,854 posts

227 months

Monday 11th May 2020
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triumph-ant said:
eekargueshoot

No.

Just no.

No, no, no.

They couldn't turn on a computer, even with us describing where the power button was and what it looked like. I came home and pressed the button, and they looked at me with childlike wonder!
If thats the case then any TV connected to the pc is your only option. Aerial in the back and just treat it as a tv. Then if you want to use the PC you know how to switch it yourself.

sjg

7,682 posts

295 months

Monday 11th May 2020
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I use a TV as a monitor, it's fine. The only drawback in everyday use is the need to use the remote to turn it on and off (or grope around to the tiny physical buttons on the back) rather than let the PC do the sleep/wake of it. Your PC needs to put out HDMI but just about everything is capable of that now, either natively or a simple USB-C to HDMI adaptor.

If you want something along the lines of a typical office monitor, get a 22-24" 1080p TV - something like https://www.richersounds.com/tv-projectors/all-tvs...

If you want something bigger (like having dual or quad monitors), get the smallest end of 4K TVs. I use a 40" at home although they seem to start at 43" now. You don't ever need to maximise anything and get loads of screen space to play with.

Main thing with 4K ones is the need to do 4:4:4 chroma subsampling (without you won't get crisp, clear text when you're right next to it) and ideally only using PWM at low brightness (so you don't get flicker). https://www.rtings.com/ reviews are good for covering those and they give a score about suitability as a PC monitor as part of the reviews. Effectively avoid the really cheap and nasty stuff and you'll be fine.

Edited by sjg on Monday 11th May 17:23


Edited by sjg on Monday 11th May 17:23

Pachydermus

1,168 posts

142 months

Tuesday 12th May 2020
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megaphone said:
Pachydermus said:
megaphone said:
Probably fine for most PC stuff however you really want a UHD/4K TV 3840x2160.
Why?

triumph-ant said:
they can't seem to handle anything more than a simple TV (e.g. no TV cards in the PC, or set top boxes etc.)
Why what?
Why are you advising him to buy a ferrari when he's asked for a runabout to pick up the weekly shopping?
Broadcast tv is HD so there's no need for a UHD tv.

megaphone

11,693 posts

281 months

Tuesday 12th May 2020
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Pachydermus said:
megaphone said:
Pachydermus said:
megaphone said:
Probably fine for most PC stuff however you really want a UHD/4K TV 3840x2160.
Why?

triumph-ant said:
they can't seem to handle anything more than a simple TV (e.g. no TV cards in the PC, or set top boxes etc.)
Why what?
Why are you advising him to buy a ferrari when he's asked for a runabout to pick up the weekly shopping?
Broadcast tv is HD so there's no need for a UHD tv.
Read the OP, he want's to use it as a PC monitor.

Pachydermus

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142 months

Tuesday 12th May 2020
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megaphone said:
Read the OP, he want's to use it as a PC monitor.
at the size he wants, still rather pointless going for 4k (speaking as someone who has an assortment of hd, qhd, and uhd screens lying around the house).

megaphone

11,693 posts

281 months

Tuesday 12th May 2020
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Pachydermus said:
megaphone said:
Read the OP, he want's to use it as a PC monitor.
at the size he wants, still rather pointless going for 4k (speaking as someone who has an assortment of hd, qhd, and uhd screens lying around the house).
Yes but we didn't know the size he wanted until I asked the question.

Murph7355

42,017 posts

286 months

Tuesday 12th May 2020
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megaphone said:
Pachydermus said:
megaphone said:
Read the OP, he want's to use it as a PC monitor.
at the size he wants, still rather pointless going for 4k (speaking as someone who has an assortment of hd, qhd, and uhd screens lying around the house).
Yes but we didn't know the size he wanted until I asked the question.
It's for his in-laws - it was never going to be a 55in OLED with full surround sound...I was going to suggest he makes them sleep in the shed biggrin

mike9009

10,992 posts

273 months

Tuesday 12th May 2020
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My wife is using our Toshiba 24inch kitchen telly as a second PC screen at the moment. She uses Excel extensively on it and it works fine for her.

I think it was £150 about six months ago.

triumph-ant

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220 posts

265 months

Wednesday 13th May 2020
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Murph7355 said:
I was going to suggest he makes them sleep in the shed biggrin
Now that's a proper answer!

Thanks for the suggestions - I think a proper TV is the right answer.