Murder by Spitting - Deliberate Infection

[MB140]

Woman dies after being spat at by someone who was known to be infected.

Would this fall under murder? What ever it ends up being I hope they throw the book at him. Spitting is a deplorable action never excusable but knowing your infected and doing it is another level of disgusting.

Coronavirus: Victoria ticket worker dies after being spat at
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52616...

[Lotobear]

I'm no lawyer but would imagine causation would be impossible to establish sufficient to secure a murder charge/conviction, not to mention intent

He deserves everything they can pin on him though for such abhorrent behaviour

[TR4man]

Hopefully with all the cctv cameras at the station they will find him.

[Sophisticated Sarah]

I imagine he was like most of the chavs spitting at the police and claiming they have it. Bullstting and trying to act tough to scare someone. Sadly in this case the lady had respiratory issues, and whether Covid-19 made this worse or not, I doubt the panic and worry of contracting a respiratory virus during the incident would have helped her.

Hopefully they find him

[Evoluzione]

It did occur to me a few weeks ago that this would be a time to commit the perfect crime/murder if you had someone you wanted to bump off.

[Wacky Racer]

MB140 said:

Woman dies after being spat at by someone who was known to be infected.

He SAID he was infected.

Still needs a good kicking though. Scum.

[Stedman]

Procedure is to use a 'spit kit' after an incident like this so the offender can be traced. I hope this was done and can back up any prosecution, not that it makes the death any easier.

[Pat H]

Lotobear said:

I'm no lawyer but would imagine causation would be impossible to establish sufficient to secure a murder charge/conviction, not to mention intent

He deserves everything they can pin on him though for such abhorrent behaviour

I agree.

Proving that the spitting caused her to contract the virus is impossible.

So it looks like a common assault (6 months max).

On a good day, the CPS might get home with an affray (3 years max).

Over the last few weeks, all of the spitting assaults that I have seen in court (and there have been a few) have been prosecuted as common assaults (or assault emergency worker, if appropriate).

The common assaults seem to attract immediate prison sentences of 12 weeks and the assaults on emergency workers are generally committed to the Crown Court for sentence.

[crankedup]

Broadening the issue, and I have posted some months ago before corona hit about the issue. With the possibility of Pro’ football re-starting soon, will a player who spits onto the ground now be treated as a ‘sending off’ offence’. It’s a filthy disgusting and unnecessary action on the part of players and sends a obnoxious example to young kids, imo.

[Pat H]

Stedman said:

Procedure is to use a 'spit kit' after an incident like this so the offender can be traced. I hope this was done and can back up any prosecution, not that it makes the death any easier.

That's very interesting. I wonder whether the forensic analysis of such a sample could detect CV19? One would expect so.

If any such sample did demonstrate the presence of CV19, then I would expect the CPS to have a go at manslaughter in light of the comments made by the offender.

We can live in hope.

[Sheepshanks]

MB140 said:

What ever it ends up being I hope they throw the book at him.

It happened a while ago now and there's no suggestion they have any idea who the perp might be - the BBC article reads like it's not even being taken seriously.

[Penelope Stopit]

crankedup said:

Broadening the issue, and I have posted some months ago before corona hit about the issue. With the possibility of Pro’ football re-starting soon, will a player who spits onto the ground now be treated as a ‘sending off’ offence’. It’s a filthy disgusting and unnecessary action on the part of players and sends a obnoxious example to young kids, imo.

Surely a player would be charged with attempted murder

[crankedup]

Penelope Stopit said:

crankedup said:

Broadening the issue, and I have posted some months ago before corona hit about the issue. With the possibility of Pro’ football re-starting soon, will a player who spits onto the ground now be treated as a ‘sending off’ offence’. It’s a filthy disgusting and unnecessary action on the part of players and sends a obnoxious example to young kids, imo.

Surely a player would be charged with attempted murder

Unless they score a goal, then it’s a let off! Still a filthy habit and one that I feel the FA will need to address.

[Jonesy23]

You'd never manage to get this past being more than just assault, as it's impossible to prove any link between the specific event and the infection.

A ticket worker in an at risk group just had too many routes to catching it at work or elsewhere to come anywhere close to demonstrating the outcome was linked to the act.

[br d]

I wonder if the scumbag thinks he was responsible and is eaten up by it?
Pretty unlikely I know but at least that way he would actually have to consider the outcomes of his moronic actions.

Edited by br d on Tuesday 12th May 15:35

[Jonesy23]

br d said:

I wonder if the scumbag thinks he was responsible and is eaten up by it?
Pretty unlikely I know but at least that way he would actually have to consider the outcomes of his moronic actions.

Doubt it.

[philv]

Death penalty.
Absolute no use to society.

[Penelope Stopit]

crankedup said:

Penelope Stopit said:

crankedup said:

Broadening the issue, and I have posted some months ago before corona hit about the issue. With the possibility of Pro’ football re-starting soon, will a player who spits onto the ground now be treated as a ‘sending off’ offence’. It’s a filthy disgusting and unnecessary action on the part of players and sends a obnoxious example to young kids, imo.

Surely a player would be charged with attempted murder

Unless they score a goal, then it’s a let off! Still a filthy habit and one that I feel the FA will need to address.

Nicely done

[Noesph]

It's f*cking terrible, I hope he gets the book thrown at him, but I doubt it somehow.

[anonymous-user]

US AG has said CV meets the definition of a biological agent so anyone deliberately exposing others to it could be done under terror legislation... presumably carries weightier sentencing.