so the Porsche Certificate of Authenticity - erm...
so the Porsche Certificate of Authenticity - erm...
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Orangecurry

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For example, there is a silver 993 for sale on Collecting Cars.

I happened to look after 'investigating' the red turbo's advert.

Another awful 1980's style of narrative, but there's photos of
a) the PCA which states colour code A8A8 - which I think is wrong. That's the code for the earlier version of Polar Silver, not the 1996 version, but it could be either I suppose

and then
b) another photo which shows the actual underbonnet sticker, which says L92M, the same as mine.

So the PCA is wrong. Whoever produces them is just finding generic data and applying what might be correct, rather than finding the data for that car?

Or am I missing something?






Cheib

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Can’t help but they used to be supplied for free by PCGB but they no longer supply them...GDPR I think.

Orangecurry

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Free only if you were a member of PCGB, I believe.

Yellow491

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Thats normal,being wrong,many had them not correct and had to keep sending them back to be corrected if the owners could be bothered.

Orangecurry

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Oh. Right.

I can imagine that's caused some stress when you come to sell if a buyer spots inconsistencies.

edc

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Wednesday 20th May 2020
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You can also buy reprints of those stickers. I guess you could have whatever codes you wanted printed on them too.

Pope

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Friday 22nd May 2020
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It is correct; the car is Polar Silver (L92M) - the A8A8 denotes the internal coding for Body Colour:A8, Roof Colour:A8 - adding a possibility of two tone colour descriptions.

I agree though would have been better if L92M was included after the colour description......

Orangecurry

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Ahhhh now come on Pope.... it is not correct. For starters when did they ever paint the roof a different colour, and the colour A8 is the earlier shade.

Come on come on come on....

Pope

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Friday 22nd May 2020
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I reckon it could be a system limitation; having two digit descriptions for colours:[url]

|https://thumbsnap.com/adNzpHkr[/url]

You could quote the above car as having L8L1; or more accurately L64V - amaranth red body / black convertible top.

Or it's just wrong wink

STiG911

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Friday 22nd May 2020
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Image upload is being an arse, but I found a paint code ref sheet from type911shop.co.uk which list Polar Silver as
Polar Silber - 92M / A8 - 1993


Orangecurry

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Yes I've seen that list elsewhere.

In 1990 Polar Silver was called A8 - in '91 it may have been called 92E, by '93 it could be the earlier code of A8 or now 92M, and by '97 they called it 92E or even A8 again..

But that car had 92M applied, not A8, otherwise the bonnet sticker would say 'A8' shirley? hehe

There's no point of having a certificate if it doesn't match the car is my point.

Orangecurry

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Maybe the 968 has come to the rescue...

http://968register.org/production-data/exteriorcol...

They list the 'Sales code' as A8 and the 'Paint code' as L92M

Isn't this exciting?

Pope

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Very! smile

STiG911

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Orangecurry said:
Yes I've seen that list elsewhere.

In 1990 Polar Silver was called A8 - in '91 it may have been called 92E, by '93 it could be the earlier code of A8 or now 92M, and by '97 they called it 92E or even A8 again..

But that car had 92M applied, not A8, otherwise the bonnet sticker would say 'A8' shirley? hehe

There's no point of having a certificate if it doesn't match the car is my point.
Maybe - but don't call me Shirley.

frozen-in-wiltshire

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Friday 22nd May 2020
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C4ME said:
Porsche stopped doing the CoA quite a while ago now and are generally unhelpful these days if you are trying to ascertain the details of a car. It could well be because their records were sometimes inconsistent and what got printed on the CoA was what was in the computer and if that had been entered incorrectly then it caused problems.

There has been talk that they are working on a new system based on an annual subscription to have your car kept on an official historical register in Porsche. I had heard the subscription would be around £250 - £500 a year but there has never been anything official said by the factory on if they are working on something like this or not.
Fair enough - they stopped CoA and replaced with CoP for a bit - for mine they are spot on. But they are only ever the factory production spec sheet - always were only that. So any mods, changed labels, replaced panels with different labels, dealer fit accessories, modifications, etc. are never going to be on there. I have mine as a bit of history about the car - more of a curio really - and nothing more than that.

Orangecurry

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But it clearly isn't the factory production specification for that particular car.

The underbonnet label is obviously original, with correct paint-code for 1996.

So it's only a curio hehe

tracer.smart

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Thursday 4th June 2020
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edc said:
You can also buy reprints of those stickers.
Where from? One of mine is looking jaded and water damaged and would be great to replace.

Cheburator mk2

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Friday 5th June 2020
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tracer.smart said:
Where from? One of mine is looking jaded and water damaged and would be great to replace.
www.car-bone.pl

SnowySpeeder

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Friday 5th June 2020
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tracer.smart said:
Where from? One of mine is looking jaded and water damaged and would be great to replace.
FWIW - I wouldn't replace an old sticker.
A shiny new sticker is likely to raise questions from any future buyer....
(Has it been crashed/had a new bonnet etc...).

gwsinc

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Friday 5th June 2020
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SnowySpeeder said:
tracer.smart said:
Where from? One of mine is looking jaded and water damaged and would be great to replace.
FWIW - I wouldn't replace an old sticker.
A shiny new sticker is likely to raise questions from any future buyer....
(Has it been crashed/had a new bonnet etc...).
In my view just go ahead and replace and document the swap with photos, and pop the Carbone receipt in your car's history file.