Why is PistonHeads so right wing?
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Tory = older, more economically switched on, more common sense, more ruthless, more successful.
New Labour = young, snowflake, socialist (think Corbyn), free money for all. Do not represent working class.
These are my observations, can't picture a young commie student with a 911, so bound to be more right leaning. I bet student forums are the opposite of here.
New Labour = young, snowflake, socialist (think Corbyn), free money for all. Do not represent working class.
These are my observations, can't picture a young commie student with a 911, so bound to be more right leaning. I bet student forums are the opposite of here.
Drezza said:
Tory = older, more economically switched on, more common sense, more ruthless, more successful.
New Labour = young, snowflake, socialist (think Corbyn), free money for all. Do not represent working class.
These are my observations, can't picture a young commie student with a 911, so bound to be more right leaning. I bet student forums are the opposite of here.
Hopefully this isn’t a serious comment. If it is then you really ought to step away from the computer. New Labour = young, snowflake, socialist (think Corbyn), free money for all. Do not represent working class.
These are my observations, can't picture a young commie student with a 911, so bound to be more right leaning. I bet student forums are the opposite of here.
Although it's yet to happen. Hippea said:
This is probably going to be taken in a derogatory way but it’s simply an observation.
There is a definite Tory leaning on this forum and I’m trying to work out why this is?
If that were true wouldn't you expect there to be less disagreement? There is a definite Tory leaning on this forum and I’m trying to work out why this is?
Do you see tory as a bad word?
Funk said:
How left/right things appear are determined by how far left/right you stand.
I don’t agree with that. You can objectively get a picture of things over a period of time.An example being and what triggered me to ask this question was the poll on here asking who would have been the best PM to deal with the current crisis. Overwhelmingly the response was Thatcher then followed by Boris and Churchill.
Hippea said:
Funk said:
How left/right things appear are determined by how far left/right you stand.
I don’t agree with that. You can objectively get a picture of things over a period of time.An example being and what triggered me to ask this question was the poll on here asking who would have been the best PM to deal with the current crisis. Overwhelmingly the response was Thatcher then followed by Boris and Churchill.
The fact PistonHeads forums are generally right leaning should be a completely uncontroversial statement to anybody who has spent any time reading them.
That’s not a criticism in itself, and there has been plenty of criticism of the specific actions of Boris and May, but overall principles are definitely, overwhelmingly, closer to the Conservative than the Labour tradition. It might be fairer to say the most popular opinion is more old fashioned liberal than Johnson/Cummings populist Tory.
You will, though, be hard pushed to find a thread espousing the benefits of socialism. Look at Corbyn, on PH it was hard to find any supportive post, yet in the country overall 1 in 3 people voted Labour in even in 2019. I’m not saying there aren’t leftist opinions (including mine to be fair), but that’s definitely the overall trend.
Of course it is possible for a socialist to like cars and that’s ultimately why we’re all here!
That’s not a criticism in itself, and there has been plenty of criticism of the specific actions of Boris and May, but overall principles are definitely, overwhelmingly, closer to the Conservative than the Labour tradition. It might be fairer to say the most popular opinion is more old fashioned liberal than Johnson/Cummings populist Tory.
You will, though, be hard pushed to find a thread espousing the benefits of socialism. Look at Corbyn, on PH it was hard to find any supportive post, yet in the country overall 1 in 3 people voted Labour in even in 2019. I’m not saying there aren’t leftist opinions (including mine to be fair), but that’s definitely the overall trend.
Of course it is possible for a socialist to like cars and that’s ultimately why we’re all here!
Hippea said:
This is probably going to be taken in a derogatory way but it’s simply an observation.
There is a definite Tory leaning on this forum and I’m trying to work out why this is?
I suspect it's something like this: The kind of cars PH had as a nucleus to form around are ones mainly appealing to men who are now middle aged and older, plus were, if not massively expensive, at least expensive enough that it's people who were doing ok financially who were in a position to own one.There is a definite Tory leaning on this forum and I’m trying to work out why this is?
Older men who are financially ok leaning to the right is fairly "normal" in demographic terms, is it not?
It's a hard one to call for me. In a world wide scale I find the exploitation of the third world by capitalists terrible.
Stories you hear like people working 17 hour a day in Nike factories in India for 10p an hour, when Nike sells a pair of shoes for £100. Or the stories about the cobalt mines in Congo. I remember a story I read a little while ago from India, where five and six year olds were working in a brick factory basically as hod carriers (its a hard job on your body, I did it for a little while myself). They carried the wet bricks on their backs to the oven and moved the finished bricks from the oven to the yard for dispatch. As they are still growing there legs bow and arch due to the weight they are carrying, deforming them for life. But they need to work for there families to get by.
Or a story I remember from years ago. Foxconn in China had to install nets around the roof of its factory, as so many of its employees where jumping off the roof to commit suicide.
But it provides jobs for people. The money is better working in a sweatshop than being a subsistence farmer.
And on the other side I lost my job six or seven years ago, as the factory moved to Turkey for lower costs. Or I remember we quoted a job (it was a turned part, it was pretty simple, it was basically a diesel injector pin, we could knock them out by the thousand everyday on a CNC swiss siding head no problem). A company in China got the job, they could make the whole part for less than what the material cost us in the UK.
And on a UK scale I find the Labour party hasn't been for the working class for a very long time. It seems to be more for the champagne socialist, plus in the last election basically calling the working classes racist, pig-ignorant peasants didn't help them....
And on a personal scale I've tried to improve myself. I was born in a council house (which my parents later bought on the right to buy scheme), my mother was a cleaner in an old peoples home and my Dad a labourer on a building site (my dad is still working on building sites, he's 65 soon). But I've gone on to work in engineering, I've bought my own flat on my own in the south east (i put down a 35% deposit). I worked and saved hard for years to do so. I'm far from rich but I'm doing OK at 32. I've found the Tories more willing to help people that try to get on.
I've always found Labour to be more for the people on the dole, and quite happy to stay on the dole for there whole life, than for the actual working classes who go out and work 45-50 hours a week to try and get up the pole so to speak.
Well, that's my personal view, I don't like exploitation of the poor, or the wealth inequality of the world (like the story I read this week, the top 20% own 90% of the wealth in the USA, (I think its around 70% here) stuff like that is just not right). But I think people should be rewarded for hard work and trying to get ahead. So I guess I find neither out and out capitalism or socialism to be the answer, but just a fairer world.
Make that of what you will, I always feel out of my depth when talking about politics....
Stories you hear like people working 17 hour a day in Nike factories in India for 10p an hour, when Nike sells a pair of shoes for £100. Or the stories about the cobalt mines in Congo. I remember a story I read a little while ago from India, where five and six year olds were working in a brick factory basically as hod carriers (its a hard job on your body, I did it for a little while myself). They carried the wet bricks on their backs to the oven and moved the finished bricks from the oven to the yard for dispatch. As they are still growing there legs bow and arch due to the weight they are carrying, deforming them for life. But they need to work for there families to get by.
Or a story I remember from years ago. Foxconn in China had to install nets around the roof of its factory, as so many of its employees where jumping off the roof to commit suicide.
But it provides jobs for people. The money is better working in a sweatshop than being a subsistence farmer.
And on the other side I lost my job six or seven years ago, as the factory moved to Turkey for lower costs. Or I remember we quoted a job (it was a turned part, it was pretty simple, it was basically a diesel injector pin, we could knock them out by the thousand everyday on a CNC swiss siding head no problem). A company in China got the job, they could make the whole part for less than what the material cost us in the UK.
And on a UK scale I find the Labour party hasn't been for the working class for a very long time. It seems to be more for the champagne socialist, plus in the last election basically calling the working classes racist, pig-ignorant peasants didn't help them....
And on a personal scale I've tried to improve myself. I was born in a council house (which my parents later bought on the right to buy scheme), my mother was a cleaner in an old peoples home and my Dad a labourer on a building site (my dad is still working on building sites, he's 65 soon). But I've gone on to work in engineering, I've bought my own flat on my own in the south east (i put down a 35% deposit). I worked and saved hard for years to do so. I'm far from rich but I'm doing OK at 32. I've found the Tories more willing to help people that try to get on.
I've always found Labour to be more for the people on the dole, and quite happy to stay on the dole for there whole life, than for the actual working classes who go out and work 45-50 hours a week to try and get up the pole so to speak.
Well, that's my personal view, I don't like exploitation of the poor, or the wealth inequality of the world (like the story I read this week, the top 20% own 90% of the wealth in the USA, (I think its around 70% here) stuff like that is just not right). But I think people should be rewarded for hard work and trying to get ahead. So I guess I find neither out and out capitalism or socialism to be the answer, but just a fairer world.
Make that of what you will, I always feel out of my depth when talking about politics....
Edited by Noesph - I went to school when Labour where in power, and therefore can't spell or use grammar properly - on Saturday 23 May 02:42
Edited by Noesph on Saturday 23 May 02:44
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