997.1 C2S or C63/M3
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I am currently on the market for a replacement for my Stage 1 MK 7.5 Golf R and looking to spend circa £30k. Given current climate I’m not able to get out and test drive so instead hoping to gauge people’s opinions of the above. I know they are completely different motors and so it’s causing me a bit of a dilemma. I have always been a Porsche nut and it’s an itch I have to scratch, however the car will be a 12-14k a year daily(mainly m’way miles). A 997.2 and 991.1 are out of reach. I’m just having the internal debate on i should take the plunge on a 911 or if I’d be better with a C63/M3 - the noise alone on the 63 is something that I just can’t ignore! I originally always wanted a 981 Cayman S however two kids have put an end to that dream, and I need 4 seats for school runs although the car doesn’t need to be necessarily practical as we have an SUV for full on family duties. My concerns are a 12 year old 997 may feel a bit slow (I know speed isn’t everything) and I’ll miss the tech that my current motor offers, however, with all these cars it’s feels a bit “now or never” with how the industry is turning everything electric. The Porsche itch does need to be scratched but I don’t want to get the 911 just because of the badge if that makes sense. Does anyone have any experience of the 3 until I can actually give them all a go?
I am currently on the market for a replacement for my Stage 1 MK 7.5 Golf R and looking to spend circa £30k. Given current climate I’m not able to get out and test drive so instead hoping to gauge people’s opinions of the above. I know they are completely different motors and so it’s causing me a bit of a dilemma. I have always been a Porsche nut and it’s an itch I have to scratch, however the car will be a 12-14k a year daily(mainly m’way miles). A 997.2 and 991.1 are out of reach. I’m just having the internal debate on i should take the plunge on a 911 or if I’d be better with a C63/M3 - the noise alone on the 63 is something that I just can’t ignore! I originally always wanted a 981 Cayman S however two kids have put an end to that dream, and I need 4 seats for school runs although the car doesn’t need to be necessarily practical as we have an SUV for full on family duties. My concerns are a 12 year old 997 may feel a bit slow (I know speed isn’t everything) and I’ll miss the tech that my current motor offers, however, with all these cars it’s feels a bit “now or never” with how the industry is turning everything electric. The Porsche itch does need to be scratched but I don’t want to get the 911 just because of the badge if that makes sense. Does anyone have any experience of the 3 until I can actually give them all a go?
Interesting timing, my current saved searches on AT are 997 cab, M4 cab, C63 coupe; all be it my budget is only £25k which restricts things slightly.
I would love a TVR but 2 seat is no longer an option and my thoughts are the C63 is (in my eyes) is a 4 seat version of a TVR - drama, theatre, V8 grunt but with 4 person capacity.
Interesting to see where you go with this and what people’s thoughts are, there is the obvious ‘chocolate engine’ issue with the 997.1 cars although a non S manual car seems to reduce the probability of something serious happening.
Si
I would love a TVR but 2 seat is no longer an option and my thoughts are the C63 is (in my eyes) is a 4 seat version of a TVR - drama, theatre, V8 grunt but with 4 person capacity.
Interesting to see where you go with this and what people’s thoughts are, there is the obvious ‘chocolate engine’ issue with the 997.1 cars although a non S manual car seems to reduce the probability of something serious happening.
Si
SiT said:
Interesting timing, my current saved searches on AT are 997 cab, M4 cab, C63 coupe; all be it my budget is only £25k which restricts things slightly.
I would love a TVR but 2 seat is no longer an option and my thoughts are the C63 is (in my eyes) is a 4 seat version of a TVR - drama, theatre, V8 grunt but with 4 person capacity.
Interesting to see where you go with this and what people’s thoughts are, there is the obvious ‘chocolate engine’ issue with the 997.1 cars although a non S manual car seems to reduce the probability of something serious happening.
Si
https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/tvr/cerbera/tvr-1998/10555116I would love a TVR but 2 seat is no longer an option and my thoughts are the C63 is (in my eyes) is a 4 seat version of a TVR - drama, theatre, V8 grunt but with 4 person capacity.
Interesting to see where you go with this and what people’s thoughts are, there is the obvious ‘chocolate engine’ issue with the 997.1 cars although a non S manual car seems to reduce the probability of something serious happening.
Si
The only people with decent stats of 997.1 engine problems are Porsche and they aren't telling.
SiT said:
Interesting timing, my current saved searches on AT are 997 cab, M4 cab, C63 coupe; all be it my budget is only £25k which restricts things slightly.
I would love a TVR but 2 seat is no longer an option and my thoughts are the C63 is (in my eyes) is a 4 seat version of a TVR - drama, theatre, V8 grunt but with 4 person capacity.
Interesting to see where you go with this and what people’s thoughts are, there is the obvious ‘chocolate engine’ issue with the 997.1 cars although a non S manual car seems to reduce the probability of something serious happening.
Si
I’ve almost talked myself out of it a few times thinking the engine will just break but to be honest I think it’s mainly scaremongering - people without issues tend to not flood the forums saying as much. Ask anyone 997.1 vs 997.2 though and very very few will say .1 which troubles me a bit I guess. I would love a TVR but 2 seat is no longer an option and my thoughts are the C63 is (in my eyes) is a 4 seat version of a TVR - drama, theatre, V8 grunt but with 4 person capacity.
Interesting to see where you go with this and what people’s thoughts are, there is the obvious ‘chocolate engine’ issue with the 997.1 cars although a non S manual car seems to reduce the probability of something serious happening.
Si
It’s a tricky choice, I love both the 911 and the C63. Even looked at the Pan 4S so I could have a Porsche and a v8!
Like you say forums aren’t awash with people documenting how they haven’t been affected by borescore and it seems with a decent PPi and boroscope inspection you can go some way to having peace of mind that your starting off Porsche ownership in a good place.
I think if you know your starting off in a good place and ensure you do annual oil changes as oppose to 2 yearly servicing along with some mechanical sympathy you should be ok.
Si
I think if you know your starting off in a good place and ensure you do annual oil changes as oppose to 2 yearly servicing along with some mechanical sympathy you should be ok.
Si
SiT said:
So if you take out the haven't bought's and the rebuilts before purchase:593 polled
445 no's
148 have had some form of work
Although this isn't scientific, the 25% failure rate is staggering. Include the re-builts and the odds jump to 29%. Factor in the ££££'s cost of repair, I wouldn't fancy those odds. No way Jose.
It seems the best approach to buying one of these is to find one that has been done, or set funds aside if you become a statistic. Better still, get a 997.2 or look elsewhere.
Edited by maz8062 on Monday 1st June 15:54
maz8062 said:
So if you take out the haven't bought's and the rebuilts before purchase:
593 polled
445 no's
148 have had some form of work
Although this isn't scientific, the 25% failure rate is staggering. Include the re-builts and the odds jump to 29%. Factor in the ££££'s cost of repair, I wouldn't fancy those odds. No way Jose.
It seems the best approach to buying one of these is to find one that has been done, or set funds aside if you become a statistic. Better still, get a 997.2 or look elsewhere.
When you put it like that :/ vote for the c63 or m3 then? Ha593 polled
445 no's
148 have had some form of work
Although this isn't scientific, the 25% failure rate is staggering. Include the re-builts and the odds jump to 29%. Factor in the ££££'s cost of repair, I wouldn't fancy those odds. No way Jose.
It seems the best approach to buying one of these is to find one that has been done, or set funds aside if you become a statistic. Better still, get a 997.2 or look elsewhere.
Edited by maz8062 on Monday 1st June 15:54
Koltu said:
maz8062 said:
So if you take out the haven't bought's and the rebuilts before purchase:
593 polled
445 no's
148 have had some form of work
Although this isn't scientific, the 25% failure rate is staggering. Include the re-builts and the odds jump to 29%. Factor in the ££££'s cost of repair, I wouldn't fancy those odds. No way Jose.
It seems the best approach to buying one of these is to find one that has been done, or set funds aside if you become a statistic. Better still, get a 997.2 or look elsewhere.
When you put it like that :/ vote for the c63 or m3 then? Ha593 polled
445 no's
148 have had some form of work
Although this isn't scientific, the 25% failure rate is staggering. Include the re-builts and the odds jump to 29%. Factor in the ££££'s cost of repair, I wouldn't fancy those odds. No way Jose.
It seems the best approach to buying one of these is to find one that has been done, or set funds aside if you become a statistic. Better still, get a 997.2 or look elsewhere.
Edited by maz8062 on Monday 1st June 15:54
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