First registration of 1970s Special Build
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Advice needed please.
I am having a car rebuilt/finished that was first built from scratch ( with some Jaguar parts ) in the late 60's early 70's but never finished / registered at the time.
I don't really want to go through a SVA and would like to get it registered as at its original construction date ( which I can prove ) as the history of the car is quite interesting.
Can anyone suggest the simplest route ??
The V55/5 form is asking for information I don't have / can't supply.
Thanks
Simon
I am having a car rebuilt/finished that was first built from scratch ( with some Jaguar parts ) in the late 60's early 70's but never finished / registered at the time.
I don't really want to go through a SVA and would like to get it registered as at its original construction date ( which I can prove ) as the history of the car is quite interesting.
Can anyone suggest the simplest route ??
The V55/5 form is asking for information I don't have / can't supply.
Thanks
Simon
48kawasaki said:
Hi
Thanks for the prompt reply !
The frame( rolling chassis ) and engine. Noting the frame was scratch built. Thee frame never had a frame number but I can soon put one on it.
Simon
Simon, with the greatest of respect, it sounds like you have an engine, which you can trace back to it's original car together with a non original period custom built chassis. I think an SVA is the only practical and legal route, IMHO.Thanks for the prompt reply !
The frame( rolling chassis ) and engine. Noting the frame was scratch built. Thee frame never had a frame number but I can soon put one on it.
Simon
IVA even... SVA is long gone!
There is no chance of getting this as an age-related build, unless you ring it, but given it's a scratch built frame I'm not even sure what you'd ring from!
Note if it's a 1970's engine, you won't have to comply with any new emissions standards, but obviously will still need to meet IVA requirements, which to be fair for the most part are sensible.
There is no chance of getting this as an age-related build, unless you ring it, but given it's a scratch built frame I'm not even sure what you'd ring from!
Note if it's a 1970's engine, you won't have to comply with any new emissions standards, but obviously will still need to meet IVA requirements, which to be fair for the most part are sensible.
Hi Again
Thanks for the advice.
It was a scratch built frame as was the suspension geometry. The guy who built it was a student but went on to work at Jaguar and designed the suspension for the XJ220. There was no donor car . The engine ( not the first one as that was stolen ) is a 4.2 from 1968 ( I think it came out of a Mk10 ). This is NOT a kit car but a one off prototype. Can anyone advise on a IVA guy who can give me some pointers ( friendly advice ) ?[
Im in North London
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Thanks for the advice.
It was a scratch built frame as was the suspension geometry. The guy who built it was a student but went on to work at Jaguar and designed the suspension for the XJ220. There was no donor car . The engine ( not the first one as that was stolen ) is a 4.2 from 1968 ( I think it came out of a Mk10 ). This is NOT a kit car but a one off prototype. Can anyone advise on a IVA guy who can give me some pointers ( friendly advice ) ?[
Im in North London
|https://thumbsnap.com/Wpfkd36P[/url]Exemptions from vehicle approval
You do not need vehicle approval for:
heavy goods vehicles (more than 3,500kg maximum weight) over 25 years old
light goods vehicles (3,500kg maximum weight or less) over 10 years old
cars and minibuses with 8 passenger seats or less (not including the driver) over 10 years old
Ive found this on the government website ?
You do not need vehicle approval for:
heavy goods vehicles (more than 3,500kg maximum weight) over 25 years old
light goods vehicles (3,500kg maximum weight or less) over 10 years old
cars and minibuses with 8 passenger seats or less (not including the driver) over 10 years old
Ive found this on the government website ?
I remember seeing this for sale a while back I think. The engine and that frame is definitely jogging my memory. Either way it looks like a cool project! Hopefully you can keep us all updated on it.
An IVA does seem like the only way forward unfortunately, especially if was never previously registered and never had a frame number. What sort of proof do you have that it was built in the '70s? Are there photos or any construction record? Is it the only one or are there multiple chassis?
An IVA does seem like the only way forward unfortunately, especially if was never previously registered and never had a frame number. What sort of proof do you have that it was built in the '70s? Are there photos or any construction record? Is it the only one or are there multiple chassis?
I BOUGHT IT BLIND ON EBAY IN AUGUST/OCT 2018. ITS CURRENTLY BEING WORKED ON IN POLAND BY A VERY COMPETENT FIRM.
I HAVE FOUND THE GUY THAT ACTUALLY BUILT THE CAR ( WE HAVE EXCHANGED NUMEROUS EMAILS ) AND HE HAD A FEW PICS FROM WHEN HE BUILT IT AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PERIOD PRESS CUTTINGS WHEN IT EMERGED FROM STORAGE IN THE 80S SO AS AFAR AS I CAN SEE THE CAR CAN BE PROVEN TO BE OVER 10 YEARS OLD
THERE IS ONLY THIS ONE BUT I OWN THE DESIGN.
IT HAS BEEN FEATURED IN THE JEC MAG AND THERE WILL BE MORE ARTICLES AS THE BUILD PROGRESSES. COMPLETION IN 12 MONTHS.
I DONT SEE ANY ISSUES WITH A IVA TEST BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE CORRECT DATE OF CONSTRUCTION GIVEN ITS HISTORIC NATURE.
I HAVE FOUND THE GUY THAT ACTUALLY BUILT THE CAR ( WE HAVE EXCHANGED NUMEROUS EMAILS ) AND HE HAD A FEW PICS FROM WHEN HE BUILT IT AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PERIOD PRESS CUTTINGS WHEN IT EMERGED FROM STORAGE IN THE 80S SO AS AFAR AS I CAN SEE THE CAR CAN BE PROVEN TO BE OVER 10 YEARS OLD
THERE IS ONLY THIS ONE BUT I OWN THE DESIGN.
IT HAS BEEN FEATURED IN THE JEC MAG AND THERE WILL BE MORE ARTICLES AS THE BUILD PROGRESSES. COMPLETION IN 12 MONTHS.
I DONT SEE ANY ISSUES WITH A IVA TEST BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE CORRECT DATE OF CONSTRUCTION GIVEN ITS HISTORIC NATURE.
48kawasaki said:
I BOUGHT IT BLIND ON EBAY IN AUGUST/OCT 2018. ITS CURRENTLY BEING WORKED ON IN POLAND BY A VERY COMPETENT FIRM.
I HAVE FOUND THE GUY THAT ACTUALLY BUILT THE CAR ( WE HAVE EXCHANGED NUMEROUS EMAILS ) AND HE HAD A FEW PICS FROM WHEN HE BUILT IT AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PERIOD PRESS CUTTINGS WHEN IT EMERGED FROM STORAGE IN THE 80S SO AS AFAR AS I CAN SEE THE CAR CAN BE PROVEN TO BE OVER 10 YEARS OLD
THERE IS ONLY THIS ONE BUT I OWN THE DESIGN.
IT HAS BEEN FEATURED IN THE JEC MAG AND THERE WILL BE MORE ARTICLES AS THE BUILD PROGRESSES. COMPLETION IN 12 MONTHS.
I DONT SEE ANY ISSUES WITH A IVA TEST BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE CORRECT DATE OF CONSTRUCTION GIVEN ITS HISTORIC NATURE.
I'd hope that someone on here knows someone involved with the IVA who can give you proper advice, but I would imagine photos, history and probably a letter from the man who constructed it may help to argue that it was constructed in a certain period, though I would expect for the lack of a chassis number to still be an issue. I HAVE FOUND THE GUY THAT ACTUALLY BUILT THE CAR ( WE HAVE EXCHANGED NUMEROUS EMAILS ) AND HE HAD A FEW PICS FROM WHEN HE BUILT IT AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PERIOD PRESS CUTTINGS WHEN IT EMERGED FROM STORAGE IN THE 80S SO AS AFAR AS I CAN SEE THE CAR CAN BE PROVEN TO BE OVER 10 YEARS OLD
THERE IS ONLY THIS ONE BUT I OWN THE DESIGN.
IT HAS BEEN FEATURED IN THE JEC MAG AND THERE WILL BE MORE ARTICLES AS THE BUILD PROGRESSES. COMPLETION IN 12 MONTHS.
I DONT SEE ANY ISSUES WITH A IVA TEST BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE CORRECT DATE OF CONSTRUCTION GIVEN ITS HISTORIC NATURE.
ask on the kit car forum.the only way to legally register the car is to put it through iva.you may struggle as you're having the car built for you in Poland,it may cause problems with the amateur build application on iva.good luck with the build,its a tidy looking car,just remember paperwork is the key with your iva application
Whilst I have no idea as to the car registration rules in Poland, given that it is there would there not be an opportunity to get it Polished registered to a period date and in which case when it comes to the UK you could seek to re-register here whilst retaining the original date and hence be allocated an appropriate age plate.
Keep it stiff said:
Whilst I have no idea as to the car registration rules in Poland, given that it is there would there not be an opportunity to get it Polished registered to a period date and in which case when it comes to the UK you could seek to re-register here whilst retaining the original date and hence be allocated an appropriate age plate.
Polish plates don't show the age of the vehicle. Reg document will show year if build and year first registered in Poland. Kit cars don't really exist here as there is no way of registering them at all. If you want to use that route however and register it as a jaguar I can ask around for you and see if someone knows what to do at this end. I'm guessing if you had polish paperwork then UK registration would be straightforward.
CDB1983 said:
Keep it stiff said:
Whilst I have no idea as to the car registration rules in Poland, given that it is there would there not be an opportunity to get it Polished registered to a period date and in which case when it comes to the UK you could seek to re-register here whilst retaining the original date and hence be allocated an appropriate age plate.
Polish plates don't show the age of the vehicle. Reg document will show year if build and year first registered in Poland. Kit cars don't really exist here as there is no way of registering them at all. If you want to use that route however and register it as a jaguar I can ask around for you and see if someone knows what to do at this end. I'm guessing if you had polish paperwork then UK registration would be straightforward.
You can’t get UK registration without completing a V55/4 and you can’t complete the V55/4 without a a Certificate of Conformity or an IVA certificate as you need explicit info such as emissions and dB levels as an example. You could make it all up but that’s a huge risk..
Dependent upon whether you classify it as imported, kit-built, rebuilt, kit-converted or radically altered etc, you may also need a vehicle inspection report (V627/1)
The whole point of an IVA is to ensure cars are suitable to be driven in the road and safe for all road users. Insurance companies may take a dim view of a Polish registered “Jaguar Special” with no UK approval if it’s involved in an accident.
The IVA test manual is online so you can have a look at that to ensure bodywork etc is compliant,. I suspect you can’t get an age related registration because the chassis has no original to be based on and you don’t have enough parts from a single donor as you’d need suspension, gearbox, steering rack and engine iirc.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 9th June 21:06
Hi All
As mentioned I don't want to hit import duties for a UK car.
The build cost is BIG and its "value" when finished will be much bigger so I think the safest route is a IVA test . I would just like to try and preserve the age of the car.
Did anybody pick up on the DVLA exceptions list I posted ?
I have tried to contact DVLA but all you get is a chat bot who can only deal with general items ( how long to leave the tea bag in etc.)
Theres no rush I just like to get things set out asap so if anyone knows for sure the best route ( IVA with a age related plate ?? )
I have absolutely no doubt the car will pass !
Cheers
Simon
As mentioned I don't want to hit import duties for a UK car.
The build cost is BIG and its "value" when finished will be much bigger so I think the safest route is a IVA test . I would just like to try and preserve the age of the car.
Did anybody pick up on the DVLA exceptions list I posted ?
I have tried to contact DVLA but all you get is a chat bot who can only deal with general items ( how long to leave the tea bag in etc.)
Theres no rush I just like to get things set out asap so if anyone knows for sure the best route ( IVA with a age related plate ?? )
I have absolutely no doubt the car will pass !
Cheers
Simon
48kawasaki said:
Hi All
As mentioned I don't want to hit import duties for a UK car.
The build cost is BIG and its "value" when finished will be much bigger so I think the safest route is a IVA test . I would just like to try and preserve the age of the car.
Did anybody pick up on the DVLA exceptions list I posted ?
I have tried to contact DVLA but all you get is a chat bot who can only deal with general items ( how long to leave the tea bag in etc.)
Theres no rush I just like to get things set out asap so if anyone knows for sure the best route ( IVA with a age related plate ?? )
I have absolutely no doubt the car will pass !
Cheers
Simon
The exemptions list is irrelevant because the car doesn’t exist yet? Exemption only applies for a vehicle that was first registered or manufactured more than 10 years ago and if I read it correctly it was never registered. You won’t be able to prove enough parts are of the correct age or from a single donor to get an age related registration. As I said to get an age related plate you need various components from a single donor, hence you see Westfields with a Q plate or an age related plate albeit from an era when there were an abundance of Ford Sierras around....As mentioned I don't want to hit import duties for a UK car.
The build cost is BIG and its "value" when finished will be much bigger so I think the safest route is a IVA test . I would just like to try and preserve the age of the car.
Did anybody pick up on the DVLA exceptions list I posted ?
I have tried to contact DVLA but all you get is a chat bot who can only deal with general items ( how long to leave the tea bag in etc.)
Theres no rush I just like to get things set out asap so if anyone knows for sure the best route ( IVA with a age related plate ?? )
I have absolutely no doubt the car will pass !
Cheers
Simon
If you register it in Poland, the DVLA will still need the Certificate of Conformity from the manufacturer to show you have approval for an EU-registered vehicle when you try to import it.....
IVA then a private, non age related, plate is the only real way of hiding its “newness” but it will always be a 2020+ car in the eyes of the DVLA
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 9th June 23:30
It does look nice though, very obviously inspired by the Lola T70 spyder and the Mclaren M1a
It may be worth looking at the Lotus 23 replicas for IVA advice as they will have similar issues with regards to lights and things. As an example this is how you get a Westfield 11 through an IVA... naturally you take off the light pods once it’s passed and refit the lights in the original position which you can see below the pods.
It may be worth looking at the Lotus 23 replicas for IVA advice as they will have similar issues with regards to lights and things. As an example this is how you get a Westfield 11 through an IVA... naturally you take off the light pods once it’s passed and refit the lights in the original position which you can see below the pods.
Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 9th June 23:44
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