GT4 Allocation
Discussion
Hi all,
I’ve been told by my OPC that they should be able to get me a GT4 allocation for delivery this time next year (usual basis of £5k deposit etc.).
I’m coming from a 991.2 GTS and, most recently, a BMW M4CS. I’m wondering whether I’m going to find the GT4 a bit “slow” after having these two cars most recently (although I’m currently in my Clio 182 Trophy - so suspect the GT4 will feel like a rocket ship in 12 months!). Anyone gone from a 911 to a GT4?
Also, in terms of residuals, the four year figure is coming in at around £45k. My spec would be in the high £80k, so do we think there will be a bit more equity at that time? If I look at four year old cars now, good spec are still at £70k, so taking off the dealer margin I’m assuming these are trading at around £62-64k?
Don’t want to get too burned on depreciation as would ultimately be looking to get into a GT3 at some stage.
Thanks in advance for your views!
I’ve been told by my OPC that they should be able to get me a GT4 allocation for delivery this time next year (usual basis of £5k deposit etc.).
I’m coming from a 991.2 GTS and, most recently, a BMW M4CS. I’m wondering whether I’m going to find the GT4 a bit “slow” after having these two cars most recently (although I’m currently in my Clio 182 Trophy - so suspect the GT4 will feel like a rocket ship in 12 months!). Anyone gone from a 911 to a GT4?
Also, in terms of residuals, the four year figure is coming in at around £45k. My spec would be in the high £80k, so do we think there will be a bit more equity at that time? If I look at four year old cars now, good spec are still at £70k, so taking off the dealer margin I’m assuming these are trading at around £62-64k?
Don’t want to get too burned on depreciation as would ultimately be looking to get into a GT3 at some stage.
Thanks in advance for your views!
It's very hard to say what the car market will be like in 12 months. I'd work on the assumption that the figures you have are how things will be and decide if you're happy with them.
As for being a bit slow, the GT4 is all about cornering and feel. If you're looking for straight line speed you'll be disappointed. You could always book a session at PEC to try out a 981 GT4 to see what you think.
As for being a bit slow, the GT4 is all about cornering and feel. If you're looking for straight line speed you'll be disappointed. You could always book a session at PEC to try out a 981 GT4 to see what you think.
M4CS is a great car, more like a 991.2 GTS from BMW.
GT4 is a different sort of car.
Both good cars.
I would only sell the M4 CS if you want to track the GT4.
I would not be wanting to leave £5k deposit unless I had an order, as the £5k deposit is not really a deposit it's OPC funds.
you place a deposit on a car when you spec it .
GT4 is a different sort of car.
Both good cars.
I would only sell the M4 CS if you want to track the GT4.
I would not be wanting to leave £5k deposit unless I had an order, as the £5k deposit is not really a deposit it's OPC funds.
you place a deposit on a car when you spec it .
Even though it's not build for drag racing I doubt the 718 GT4 is noticeably slower than the M4 CS if you take a useful performance metric like 100-200 kph (62-124 mph) rather than quoted 0-60 mph times. 8.61 seconds for the GT4 ( tested by AutoTopNL - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YI-Q8I_rjr... ), which puts it in the same ballpark as cars with much more power.
@Rchamps - where are you based?
What spec/colour are you after? I was offered a cancelled stock car a few weeks ago.
With regards to PCP, I would go for 24 months and tell them by the time the PCP is up you would hope to be switching to a GT3. That way you reduce depreciation exposure, they are thinking GT4 back to retail, new order GT3 and 2 lots of Porsche finance for the dealership!
What spec/colour are you after? I was offered a cancelled stock car a few weeks ago.
With regards to PCP, I would go for 24 months and tell them by the time the PCP is up you would hope to be switching to a GT3. That way you reduce depreciation exposure, they are thinking GT4 back to retail, new order GT3 and 2 lots of Porsche finance for the dealership!
Ha! Yeah, I'm a little worries that the Clio will show up most of what I am currently looking at!
The M4CS has gone - sold it a few weeks ago when it became clear that I'm going to be working from home for the rest of the year and while I had an offer which meant I only lost a negligible amount on it (which was a bit of a miracle). This was my 3rd M4 and 9th M Car. While they are great cars, they are somewhat limited, particularly on the engagement and feedback level. The rear end of the M4s I always found to be very vague.
I was looking at something that offers the most driver engagement. Had been considering a Lotus Exige, but there are just too many compromises with them. Other options at the moment include a very diverse group of:
1. Mclaren 570s (most expensive to run - not concerned about reliability as no way I would run one without a warranty in any event).
2. Another 991.2 GTS, but manual this time.
3. Mercedes AMG GTR
The lure of a brand new GT4 specced to my taste is quite alluring though!
The M4CS has gone - sold it a few weeks ago when it became clear that I'm going to be working from home for the rest of the year and while I had an offer which meant I only lost a negligible amount on it (which was a bit of a miracle). This was my 3rd M4 and 9th M Car. While they are great cars, they are somewhat limited, particularly on the engagement and feedback level. The rear end of the M4s I always found to be very vague.
I was looking at something that offers the most driver engagement. Had been considering a Lotus Exige, but there are just too many compromises with them. Other options at the moment include a very diverse group of:
1. Mclaren 570s (most expensive to run - not concerned about reliability as no way I would run one without a warranty in any event).
2. Another 991.2 GTS, but manual this time.
3. Mercedes AMG GTR
The lure of a brand new GT4 specced to my taste is quite alluring though!
I'm based near Cambridge - but work in Central London.
No, haven't been given the option of PDK. Only had a couple of very high level emails with a contact at OPC.
It's a very good shout to go down the 24 months route with a view to a new GT3! I may try that and see what they say. The GT3 would then be my thrid car with them, and I'm also considering chopping my Q7 for a Macan.
No, haven't been given the option of PDK. Only had a couple of very high level emails with a contact at OPC.
It's a very good shout to go down the 24 months route with a view to a new GT3! I may try that and see what they say. The GT3 would then be my thrid car with them, and I'm also considering chopping my Q7 for a Macan.
Given that delivery this time next year would mean an allocation and speccing the car around March 2021 (9 months away from now!) it's all just ifs, buts and maybes when you're talking to the OPC. They won't know what Porsche are planning that far ahead so you're on a vague promise while you're out of pocket to the tune of £5k.
Each to their own, but I'd be forgetting about a GT4 for now and going back to them in 6 months.
Each to their own, but I'd be forgetting about a GT4 for now and going back to them in 6 months.
Ooof! That Yellow one looks lovely!
Another thought that I'm having is just to wait for the GT3 prices to come down a bit. To be fair, my absolute goal would be a GT3, either a new 992 or a 991.2. If I'm waiting a year in any event, the price of the 991.2 may be closer to £110k, which just about makes them affordable... Otherwise it would be a GT4 for 2/3 years with the hope of a new 992 GT3 allocation.
Another thought that I'm having is just to wait for the GT3 prices to come down a bit. To be fair, my absolute goal would be a GT3, either a new 992 or a 991.2. If I'm waiting a year in any event, the price of the 991.2 may be closer to £110k, which just about makes them affordable... Otherwise it would be a GT4 for 2/3 years with the hope of a new 992 GT3 allocation.
Rchamps said:
Ha! Yeah, I'm a little worries that the Clio will show up most of what I am currently looking at!
The M4CS has gone - sold it a few weeks ago when it became clear that I'm going to be working from home for the rest of the year and while I had an offer which meant I only lost a negligible amount on it (which was a bit of a miracle). This was my 3rd M4 and 9th M Car. While they are great cars, they are somewhat limited, particularly on the engagement and feedback level. The rear end of the M4s I always found to be very vague.
I was looking at something that offers the most driver engagement. Had been considering a Lotus Exige, but there are just too many compromises with them. Other options at the moment include a very diverse group of:
1. Mclaren 570s (most expensive to run - not concerned about reliability as no way I would run one without a warranty in any event).
2. Another 991.2 GTS, but manual this time.
3. Mercedes AMG GTR
The lure of a brand new GT4 specced to my taste is quite alluring though!
in your shoes for £100k I would get a AMG GT RThe M4CS has gone - sold it a few weeks ago when it became clear that I'm going to be working from home for the rest of the year and while I had an offer which meant I only lost a negligible amount on it (which was a bit of a miracle). This was my 3rd M4 and 9th M Car. While they are great cars, they are somewhat limited, particularly on the engagement and feedback level. The rear end of the M4s I always found to be very vague.
I was looking at something that offers the most driver engagement. Had been considering a Lotus Exige, but there are just too many compromises with them. Other options at the moment include a very diverse group of:
1. Mclaren 570s (most expensive to run - not concerned about reliability as no way I would run one without a warranty in any event).
2. Another 991.2 GTS, but manual this time.
3. Mercedes AMG GTR
The lure of a brand new GT4 specced to my taste is quite alluring though!
none of the cars you have had or want offer "the most driver engagement." so try a AMG GT R it's a great car.
gt3rswp said:
Yellow is my favourite colour for a GT4 (mine is also Racing Gelb) - looks nice, well done!Regarding whether the GT4 will feel slow, if you're mostly driving on the road (and on track too, tbh), speed really shouldn't be the most important factor; the way it feels while driving and the "fun factor" is far more important. If you're having more fun at 60 mph in one car than at 100 mph in another, why would you run the risk to your license & a possible jail term to get the car that needs to be driven harder?
From my own experience - I live in Switzerland so I have experience of de-restricted German autobahns and also mountain passes (so B-road blasts, in essence) - I have not found that the GT4 feels particularly slow. I suspect that it will not be much slower than the GTS or M4CS in a straight line (and may not "feel" slower at all) but will likely be more fun than either (at least the GTS, given what back-to-back comparisons have suggested from well respected motoring journalists) when it comes to the "fun roads".
I have a heavily modified R35 GT-R (though only running about 670 BHP & torques) and a heavily modified Evo IX (about 550 BHP & torques) and it feels like the GT4 is about as quick as the latter (sub 3.5 secs 0-60 mph car) when not making standing start - I haven't ever launched either car tbh. You will have to drive it on cam at higher revs but when you do it does feel pretty quick tbh - and why would you not want to do that anyway; just keep a gear lower than usual ...? The GT-R is a relative rocket ship in a straight line but to have the equivalent amount of fun on the twisties you need to be going considerably quicker than the GT4. As mentioned above, this is important as you can have more fun more of the time in the latter.
Regarding the other cars (excluding the Lotus) you mentioned, I think that you would find a similar situation tbh; that you would need to be going unsociably quick to get any fun from the car (OK, the noise of the Merc GT R is addictive ...) and, as such, I think that the GT4 is a better option. I actually chose the GT4 over a Macca & Merc GT R when I purchased her.
Not sure if this will help but I hope that i does!
Good luck & enjoy whichever purchase you ultimately make!
George-eed said:
That looks lovely, congratulations!
When did your car finish build and how long did it take for delivery?
I have been told that my one finished build on the 8th June but i am still waiting for confirmation as to when it will be delivered.
It was a lightly used example. Collected it 7 days after agreeing the deal.When did your car finish build and how long did it take for delivery?
I have been told that my one finished build on the 8th June but i am still waiting for confirmation as to when it will be delivered.
Evo9lution said:
Yellow is my favourite colour for a GT4 (mine is also Racing Gelb) - looks nice, well done!
Regarding whether the GT4 will feel slow, if you're mostly driving on the road (and on track too, tbh), speed really shouldn't be the most important factor; the way it feels while driving and the "fun factor" is far more important. If you're having more fun at 60 mph in one car than at 100 mph in another, why would you run the risk to your license & a possible jail term to get the car that needs to be driven harder?
From my own experience - I live in Switzerland so I have experience of de-restricted German autobahns and also mountain passes (so B-road blasts, in essence) - I have not found that the GT4 feels particularly slow. I suspect that it will not be much slower than the GTS or M4CS in a straight line (and may not "feel" slower at all) but will likely be more fun than either (at least the GTS, given what back-to-back comparisons have suggested from well respected motoring journalists) when it comes to the "fun roads".
I have a heavily modified R35 GT-R (though only running about 670 BHP & torques) and a heavily modified Evo IX (about 550 BHP & torques) and it feels like the GT4 is about as quick as the latter (sub 3.5 secs 0-60 mph car) when not making standing start - I haven't ever launched either car tbh. You will have to drive it on cam at higher revs but when you do it does feel pretty quick tbh - and why would you not want to do that anyway; just keep a gear lower than usual ...? The GT-R is a relative rocket ship in a straight line but to have the equivalent amount of fun on the twisties you need to be going considerably quicker than the GT4. As mentioned above, this is important as you can have more fun more of the time in the latter.
Regarding the other cars (excluding the Lotus) you mentioned, I think that you would find a similar situation tbh; that you would need to be going unsociably quick to get any fun from the car (OK, the noise of the Merc GT R is addictive ...) and, as such, I think that the GT4 is a better option. I actually chose the GT4 over a Macca & Merc GT R when I purchased her.
Not sure if this will help but I hope that i does!
Good luck & enjoy whichever purchase you ultimately make!
I think you have summed it up perfectly here! I'll see if I can get a drive in one and then make up my mind. Like you say, quicker isn't always more fun...Regarding whether the GT4 will feel slow, if you're mostly driving on the road (and on track too, tbh), speed really shouldn't be the most important factor; the way it feels while driving and the "fun factor" is far more important. If you're having more fun at 60 mph in one car than at 100 mph in another, why would you run the risk to your license & a possible jail term to get the car that needs to be driven harder?
From my own experience - I live in Switzerland so I have experience of de-restricted German autobahns and also mountain passes (so B-road blasts, in essence) - I have not found that the GT4 feels particularly slow. I suspect that it will not be much slower than the GTS or M4CS in a straight line (and may not "feel" slower at all) but will likely be more fun than either (at least the GTS, given what back-to-back comparisons have suggested from well respected motoring journalists) when it comes to the "fun roads".
I have a heavily modified R35 GT-R (though only running about 670 BHP & torques) and a heavily modified Evo IX (about 550 BHP & torques) and it feels like the GT4 is about as quick as the latter (sub 3.5 secs 0-60 mph car) when not making standing start - I haven't ever launched either car tbh. You will have to drive it on cam at higher revs but when you do it does feel pretty quick tbh - and why would you not want to do that anyway; just keep a gear lower than usual ...? The GT-R is a relative rocket ship in a straight line but to have the equivalent amount of fun on the twisties you need to be going considerably quicker than the GT4. As mentioned above, this is important as you can have more fun more of the time in the latter.
Regarding the other cars (excluding the Lotus) you mentioned, I think that you would find a similar situation tbh; that you would need to be going unsociably quick to get any fun from the car (OK, the noise of the Merc GT R is addictive ...) and, as such, I think that the GT4 is a better option. I actually chose the GT4 over a Macca & Merc GT R when I purchased her.
Not sure if this will help but I hope that i does!
Good luck & enjoy whichever purchase you ultimately make!
This review from C&D may assuage your concerns about quickness. 3.7 secs to 60 on a manual car. The test specs are at the bottom of article. Here’s a snippet from article. “But the GT4 made us reconsider that scale. It's not just power. It's the ratio of weight to power, and each of this Cayman's 414 horses is responsible for just 7.6 pounds. For reference, a 526-hp Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 has 7.3 pounds per horsepower. But the meathead Mustang can't even keep up with this svelte GT4 in a straight line. The Cayman hits 60 in 3.7 seconds, shortly after the shift into second gear. And whereas 11-second quarter-miles were once solely the domain of the all-wheel-drive 911 Turbo, this rear-driver trips the lights in 11.9 at 120 mph.”
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a32417763/202...
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a32417763/202...
gpgts said:
This review from C&D may assuage your concerns about quickness. 3.7 secs to 60 on a manual car. The test specs are at the bottom of article. Here’s a snippet from article. “But the GT4 made us reconsider that scale. It's not just power. It's the ratio of weight to power, and each of this Cayman's 414 horses is responsible for just 7.6 pounds. For reference, a 526-hp Ford Mustang Shelby GT350 has 7.3 pounds per horsepower. But the meathead Mustang can't even keep up with this svelte GT4 in a straight line. The Cayman hits 60 in 3.7 seconds, shortly after the shift into second gear. And whereas 11-second quarter-miles were once solely the domain of the all-wheel-drive 911 Turbo, this rear-driver trips the lights in 11.9 at 120 mph.”
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a32417763/202...
They must be animals to get those standing start figures. My 718 Spyder just will not step off the line crisply enough to get anywhere near those figures. I either bog down with too much grip or the clutch slips and smells horrific. No issue on the move it’s quick. The biggest problem is that it only feels really quick once you are pressing on and well above the UK open road limits. Probably as a result of the long second gear. On track it’s going to be lovely.https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a32417763/202...
On open UK roads and without going mad it doesn’t feel lively. My S1 111S Elise and my R8 RWS feel quicker, especially the Elise which is very, very low geared and very rev happy. Undoubtedly the Porsche is quicker than the Elise but it just doesn’t feel quicker. If that makes any sense!
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