The "How is it going to be paid for" prediction thread.
The "How is it going to be paid for" prediction thread.
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anonymous-user

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78 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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Stay in Bed Instead

22,362 posts

181 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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Nothing while the economy recovers. We need people spending more not less.

And having not received a single penny from the government to assist my business thorough this turmoil, any increase in taxation will piss me off considerably.

RobDickinson

31,343 posts

278 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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huge mountain of long term debt pushed down the tracks until the current people dont have to deal with it

Oilchange

9,622 posts

284 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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Yeah, sometimes lowering taxes actually raises more tax income (1970's). Who'd have thought it eh?

I reckon lowering income tax back to the Thatcher/Blair years so 40% upper rate, none further.
Lowering corporation tax to 10% (its about 18% at the mo I think)

Applying tax to those companies that seem able to sidestep them like Amazon, etc Not as if Amazon couldn't afford 10% tax is it...

Small businesses, look after them well, they're the backbone. Get a start up scheme going or reinforce what's there.

A huge scheme to encourage foreign investment into the UK (equally to ps off the EU!)

VAT 15%, get people spending, spending, spending.

I have no idea if any of this would work, of course.

Biker 1

8,427 posts

143 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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A coordinated plan involving G7 then G20. B of E buys up UK debt, as does Fed in US etc. Debts locked up in a special vault & key thrown away for 100 years. Add a little inflation, et voila.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

222 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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The solution is perpetual govt bonds.

Heck only in 2015 did we fully pay off the slave traders so that’s what 160 year bonds.
Marshall plan 1940’s to 2010 to pay it off.
A certain war cost by Henry the 8th still remains not fully paid off.

StevieBee

14,895 posts

279 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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I've heard several economist explain this over the past few weeks and months. The situation appears to be that it might not be as grim and painful as many imagine. The funds that have been used to prop everything up have largely (though not exclusively) come from an emergency pot set up after the Second World War to deal with all manner of national crisis, including pandemics. The theory is that money has continued to flow 'into' the economy but not 'through' it because nobody is spending so when things do return to normal, spending starts back up again which is why many are predicting a sharp bounce back within 12 months. There's also the fact that every country's in the same boat so is unlikely that we'll see any redirection of foreign investment.

Obviously this is just a theory but sort of makes sense. But if this is the case, then that emergency pot will need to be replenished quickly as it would leave us more exposed should something like this happen again. Hence the worry over a second wave. So, I think we have to make peace with the fact that at some point in the near future, we'll be keeping less of the money we earn.

Mining Subsidence Man

418 posts

72 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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Inflation.

Johnnytheboy

24,499 posts

210 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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Bizarrely there is no appetite for cutting public spending.

Dont Panic

1,389 posts

75 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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Boris gets 5 balls and the bonus on a quadruple rollover?

klootzak

683 posts

240 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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Assuming they don't just kick it down the road for the next government (or the one after that), then they'll print money to keep the economy pumping and pay the (inflation devalued) debt. Then use tax to regulate inflation later. That's MMT, baby.

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bobtail4x4

4,306 posts

133 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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Johnnytheboy said:
Bizarrely there is no appetite for cutting public spending.
have yo been paying attention the last few years?

craigjm

20,621 posts

224 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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bobtail4x4 said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Bizarrely there is no appetite for cutting public spending.
have yo been paying attention the last few years?
Which is probably why there will be no appetite for it now. They are highly unlikely to cut the NHS etc after they have praised them to the heavens in this pandemic or they may as well resign and go home now.

TwigtheWonderkid

48,113 posts

174 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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State pension age raised to 70 for those born on or after 1/1/60, and to 75 for those born after 1/1/65.

Johnnytheboy

24,499 posts

210 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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craigjm said:
bobtail4x4 said:
Johnnytheboy said:
Bizarrely there is no appetite for cutting public spending.
have yo been paying attention the last few years?
Which is probably why there will be no appetite for it now. They are highly unlikely to cut the NHS etc after they have praised them to the heavens in this pandemic or they may as well resign and go home now.
Exactly. bobtail4x4 hasn't been paying attention to 2020 it would seem.

StevieBee

14,895 posts

279 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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anonymous said:
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I've heard the government fund be referred to informally as the 'Unthinkable Fund' - it's value known to only a few for risk that the demand and temptation may exist to use it for potholes, schools or whatever rather than alien invasion, meteor strikes, wars and pandemics.

As you say, it's the replenishment of this fund that will do the hurting... though hurt less than if it didn't exist.

CambsBill

2,412 posts

202 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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An end to higher rate tax relief for pension contributions




tom5678

79 posts

161 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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We won't.

Modern monetary theory.

jamoor

14,506 posts

239 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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Tax amazon, Google and all other tax cheats.

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

222 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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StevieBee said:
I've heard the government fund be referred to informally as the 'Unthinkable Fund' - it's value known to only a few for risk that the demand and temptation may exist to use it for potholes, schools or whatever rather than alien invasion, meteor strikes, wars and pandemics.

As you say, it's the replenishment of this fund that will do the hurting... though hurt less than if it didn't exist.
I don't believe it. Governments putting money aside for a rainy day? The whole economy is built on needing constant growth and getting the next generation to pay for the previous. But they've all been putting money aside into a secret fund, not to be used, not on the books, when they can't put it aside for infrastructure or whatever? Sounds too good to be true to me.