Flexible Furlough Help

[waynecyclist]

Been asked to sign a flexible furlough agreement with effect 1st July, not sure on a few points.

Need to be careful what I post

Would anyone be able to offer advice if I messaged the agreement over please

[AudiMan9000]

Is this like going back part time?

[waynecyclist]

AudiMan9000 said:

Is this like going back part time?

Yes but with no fixed terms, so could be nothing or 20 hours

[Ham_and_Jam]

waynecyclist said:

Yes but with no fixed terms, so could be nothing or 20 hours

But isn’t that the point of flexible furlough. It’s flexible.

You get paid fully for the hours you work, and topped up with 80% of the remainder of your normal contractual hours.

Better than normal furlough surely? Unless your employer is not properly following the scheme.

[waynecyclist]

Ham_and_Jam said:

But isn’t that the point of flexible furlough. It’s flexible.

You get paid fully for the hours you work, and topped up with 80% of the remainder of your normal contractual hours.

Better than normal furlough surely? Unless your employer is not properly following the scheme.

That is not the issue that I have, I fully respect this but reading between the lines they are expecting me to be available 24/7 with no notice to attend work which seems a little unfair

[Alex Z]

Does your employer work 24/7 and does your contract specify those working hours?

[waynecyclist]

Alex Z said:

Does your employer work 24/7 and does your contract specify those working hours?

No my contract is for 8.30 to 5, 5 days per week plus every other Saturday morning

[edc]

waynecyclist said:

Alex Z said:

Does your employer work 24/7 and does your contract specify those working hours?

No my contract is for 8.30 to 5, 5 days per week plus every other Saturday morning

So you need to be ready and able to do that. You still have an employment contract. In all employment contracts there is an element of reasonableness. If they call at 8.55 and say be in for 9 it's unreasonable but you can reply with I'm not even out of bed but can be in by 11. It's your choice to say I can't make it as I'm going to the beach at Bournemouth so call me another time.

[waynecyclist]

edc said:

So you need to be ready and able to do that. You still have an employment contract. In all employment contracts there is an element of reasonableness. If they call at 8.55 and say be in for 9 it's unreasonable but you can reply with I'm not even out of bed but can be in by 11. It's your choice to say I can't make it as I'm going to the beach at Bournemouth so call me another time.

Thank you for answering, I would never say that I cannot make it but just wonder how you stood on on saying can you give me an hour at least

[edc]

Have you actually spoken to your manger to say happy to do this but can you commit to giving me some reasonable notice lie calling me by 4pm the previous afternoon or perhaps longer to arrange childcare etc.

[waynecyclist]

edc said:

Have you actually spoken to your manger to say happy to do this but can you commit to giving me some reasonable notice lie calling me by 4pm the previous afternoon or perhaps longer to arrange childcare etc.

I have tried speaking to my manager but he could not really say how it was going to work at this stage plus he is also on furlough.

Not sure I am keen on sitting at home all day waiting for the call, say I wanted to go out for a cycle ride or needed to go shopping.

I respect I have a contract of employment but it seems a little unfair with this flexible agreement going forwards.

[anonymous-user]

Ham_and_Jam said:

But isn’t that the point of flexible furlough. It’s flexible.

You get paid fully for the hours you work, and topped up with 80% of the remainder of your normal contractual hours.

Better than normal furlough surely? Unless your employer is not properly following the scheme.

Why is it better than normal furlough? Wouldn't the employee be working the hours, for the same amount of money he would otherwise get on full furlough?

[edc]

waynecyclist said:

edc said:

Have you actually spoken to your manger to say happy to do this but can you commit to giving me some reasonable notice lie calling me by 4pm the previous afternoon or perhaps longer to arrange childcare etc.

I have tried speaking to my manager but he could not really say how it was going to work at this stage plus he is also on furlough.

Not sure I am keen on sitting at home all day waiting for the call, say I wanted to go out for a cycle ride or needed to go shopping.

I respect I have a contract of employment but it seems a little unfair with this flexible agreement going forwards.

But you haven't spoken to anybody at the company who will tell you any requirements around notification or explained your circumstances so have just made up this expectation from thin air. The agreement is silent on this presumably or you wouldn't ask the question but if the company water you on permanent stand by and it was important then they would out it in the agreement. Don't make it up, just speak to somebody then clarify and confirm your understanding by a follow up email.

[waynecyclist]

edc said:

But you haven't spoken to anybody at the company who will tell you any requirements around notification or explained your circumstances so have just made up this expectation from thin air. The agreement is silent on this presumably or you wouldn't ask the question but if the company water you on permanent stand by and it was important then they would out it in the agreement. Don't make it up, just speak to somebody then clarify and confirm your understanding by a follow up email.

I have now emailed, will see what they reply

Thanks again

[Ham_and_Jam]

sambucket said:

Why is it better than normal furlough? Wouldn't the employee be working the hours, for the same amount of money he would otherwise get on full furlough?

No, potentially up to 20% more money depending on the amount of hours worked / furloughed.

[anonymous-user]

Ham_and_Jam said:

No, potentially up to 20% more money depending on the amount of hours worked / furloughed.

thanks, can you clarify how that works please?

I thought gov paid the remainder of the hours, not the full hours?

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 29th June 08:14

[edc]

sambucket said:

Ham_and_Jam said:

No, potentially up to 20% more money depending on the amount of hours worked / furloughed.

thanks, can you clarify how that works please?

I thought gov paid the remainder of the hours, not the full hours?

Edited by sambucket on Monday 29th June 08:14

The company is subsidised for the unworked time at 80% capped at £2.5k per month.

[anonymous-user]

edc said:

The company is subsidised for the unworked time at 80% capped at £2.5k per month.

From the employee's persepective though? (edit answered my own question writing it out....)


Let's say the employee earns 2k a month full time. Currently employee is receiving 80% of that, 1.6k.

Employee is asked to return half time, is now working half the week, and receives 1k from employer, and rest is topped up by gov, so 80% of the 1k.

Employee gets 1.8k now.

So an extra 200 quid for working half the week.

[worsy]

sambucket said:

edc said:

The company is subsidised for the unworked time at 80% capped at £2.5k per month.

From the employee's persepective though? (edit answered my own question writing it out....)


Let's say the employee earns 2k a month full time. Currently employee is receiving 80% of that, 1.6k.

Employee is asked to return half time, is now working half of each week, and receives 1k from employer, and rest is topped up by gov, so 80% of the 1k.

Employee gets 1.8k now.

So an extra 200 quid for working half the month.

FTFY

[anonymous-user]

worsy said:

FTFY

Thanks.

That's even worse then. 50 quid a week.