Panorama - Hunting the Neo-Nazis
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Worrying if slight episode about the recent increase in online grooming of disillusioned UK white teens to join pro-violence fascist groups. The general aim seems to be to bring an end to Western societal structure.
This recruitment drive was conducted from a website run by a young American bloke who lives in a comfy-looking Californian suburb & likes hiding in his bedroom.
This recruitment drive was conducted from a website run by a young American bloke who lives in a comfy-looking Californian suburb & likes hiding in his bedroom.
zygalski said:
Worrying if slight episode about the recent increase in online grooming of disillusioned UK white teens to join pro-violence fascist groups. The general aim seems to be to bring an end to Western societal structure.
This recruitment drive was conducted from a website run by a young American bloke who lives in a comfy-looking Californian suburb & likes hiding in his bedroom.
AKA...Antifa? BLM has some worrying aspects to it too and seems to attract the Antifa types. This recruitment drive was conducted from a website run by a young American bloke who lives in a comfy-looking Californian suburb & likes hiding in his bedroom.
Countdown said:
garagewidow said:
Can't they team up with that other lot?,as they want to bring down western societal structure(s) too.
I didn't think fascists were anarchists? In fact i thought they were all in favour of Law and Order etc?Drezza said:
AKA...Antifa? BLM has some worrying aspects to it too and seems to attract the Antifa types.
No, definitely Nazishttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53128169
Drezza said:
zygalski said:
Worrying if slight episode about the recent increase in online grooming of disillusioned UK white teens to join pro-violence fascist groups. The general aim seems to be to bring an end to Western societal structure.
This recruitment drive was conducted from a website run by a young American bloke who lives in a comfy-looking Californian suburb & likes hiding in his bedroom.
AKA...Antifa? This recruitment drive was conducted from a website run by a young American bloke who lives in a comfy-looking Californian suburb & likes hiding in his bedroom.
Countdown said:
Ahh apologies, it's hard for me to differentiate the two sometimes. anonymous said:
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I've mentioned the horseshoe metaphor a couple of times, but not my 'creation' , something I've heard others describe in political discussions.But it does seem to accurately describe extremes and ideologies.
The more a person goes to an extreme the more they become enveloped in to the same type of world as their polar opposite. A world full of authoritarian rule by violence. When the world is such, it doesn't matter if you favour a welfare state, capitalism or freedoms, because all become meaningless and controlled by mobs.
Something of interest that some may find very intriguing is that the creator of fascism was a committed socialist.
His name was Giovanni Gentile and is 'credited' with the development of the fascist ideology. Its a controversial subject of course as those on opposite sides of the political scale will view things very differently, but the main thing about this is that it does support a horseshoe metaphor when going to extremes.
Countdown said:
garagewidow said:
Can't they team up with that other lot?,as they want to bring down western societal structure(s) too.
I didn't think fascists were anarchists? In fact i thought they were all in favour of Law and Order etc?Commies are anti-capitalist authoritarians, Fascits are super-nationalist authoritarians.
Neither are really Anarchists, though they do seem to make a mess.
La Liga said:
Extreme ideologies look to recruit vulnerable and / or impressionable people. Whether that is far left, right, Islamic extremism or Irish terrorism.
It’s not just extremist groups, most religions and political groups target certain areas for new members. Even the forces focus recruitment in certain parts of the country. Preying on the vulnerable has always been an easy way to get members or their money and support. There’s little point in trying to get new members or recruits etc from parts of society that are unlikely to join.
Same with gambling sites or adverts for insurance claims being on during daytime tv etc
I live in a safe conservative seat, I’ve not seen a labour campaigner ever. There’s no immigration issues either so we don’t get people like farage campaigning and trying to spread fear of foreigners.
Drezza said:
Countdown said:
Ahh apologies, it's hard for me to differentiate the two sometimes. La Liga said:
Extreme ideologies look to recruit vulnerable and / or impressionable people. Whether that is far left, right, Islamic extremism or Irish terrorism.
Exactly this. And it looks like they are starting to learn from each other in terms of process and method.I wonder if we've learnt enough to be able to combat no matter what extreme it is doing the fishing.
I suspect we're into a degenerative cycle with these things now, at least for the foreseeable.
(Interesting also that some don't see it as the same thing when it's their pet "protest group" being accused).
Murph7355 said:
La Liga said:
Extreme ideologies look to recruit vulnerable and / or impressionable people. Whether that is far left, right, Islamic extremism or Irish terrorism.
Exactly this. And it looks like they are starting to learn from each other in terms of process and method.I wonder if we've learnt enough to be able to combat no matter what extreme it is doing the fishing.
I suspect we're into a degenerative cycle with these things now, at least for the foreseeable.
(Interesting also that some don't see it as the same thing when it's their pet "protest group" being accused).
El stovey said:
La Liga said:
Extreme ideologies look to recruit vulnerable and / or impressionable people. Whether that is far left, right, Islamic extremism or Irish terrorism.
It’s not just extremist groups, most religions and political groups target certain areas for new members. Even the forces focus recruitment in certain parts of the country. Preying on the vulnerable has always been an easy way to get members or their money and support. There’s little point in trying to get new members or recruits etc from parts of society that are unlikely to join.
Same with gambling sites or adverts for insurance claims being on during daytime tv etc
I live in a safe conservative seat, I’ve not seen a labour campaigner ever. There’s no immigration issues either so we don’t get people like farage campaigning and trying to spread fear of foreigners.
The differentiator in that context is most people recognise extremism and aren't going to 'purchase'.
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