£7k - Cayenne or Range Rover
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Right then. Long story short, just had refund for Cayenne purchased in Jan that I only had in my possession for 21 days due to issues and delays to parts throughout Covid.
Need to replace, don’t want a diesel and still have my V8 itch that hasn’t been properly scratched.
I’m fully aware I’m playing toward the bottom of the market as well as the multitude of threads around Cayenne & RR reliability. I can take things I read on the net with a pinch of salt and the motivations behind them but I’m keen to garner more opinions on this section of the market.
For a V8 in this price range (2004-2006ish) is it as simple as flipping a coin for which could be the most reliable or does anyone have experience of both?
Cheers
Need to replace, don’t want a diesel and still have my V8 itch that hasn’t been properly scratched.
I’m fully aware I’m playing toward the bottom of the market as well as the multitude of threads around Cayenne & RR reliability. I can take things I read on the net with a pinch of salt and the motivations behind them but I’m keen to garner more opinions on this section of the market.
For a V8 in this price range (2004-2006ish) is it as simple as flipping a coin for which could be the most reliable or does anyone have experience of both?
Cheers
I had a 2008 Range Rover Sport until recently. It was the 4.2 supercharged one and was very reliable: I'd have preferred a full size one but I got a good deal on the sport and ended up being very happy with it. You hear a lot of horror stories, but I think most of those are down to people buying poorly maintained examples.
jonobigblind said:
Thank you - agree on maintenance and reassuring to hear some success stories that don’t often get published online haha
That's the problem with forums - people generally only post when they have a problem. I did a thread about the car here if you want to see exactly what I had to do to it in the time I owned it.https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Geekman said:
That's the problem with forums - people generally only post when they have a problem. I did a thread about the car here if you want to see exactly what I had to do to it in the time I owned it.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
This is great place, thanks for sharing - I’ll take a look over a beer later!https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
legendracer said:
Could you tell how easy was it to get a refund? All as per agreement? 21 days?
The garage were good about it and aside from forgetting to process it last week (which means I missed out on my no.1 replacement) they sorted it with no whingeing. Just one week from requesting to money being in my account. Shame it didn’t work out and I’d buy from the garage again under other circumstances
I’ve had both, overall I’d say the Cayenne is less problematic and handles better, the Range Rover is more comfortable.
If you go for an early Cayenne either get the Turbo or the smaller V6 engine, the NA V8 in the S can have engine issues.
If you get the RR make sure it’s had it’s gearbox oil changed, either can have issues with air suspension but more likely to play up on the RR imo.
If you go for an early Cayenne either get the Turbo or the smaller V6 engine, the NA V8 in the S can have engine issues.
If you get the RR make sure it’s had it’s gearbox oil changed, either can have issues with air suspension but more likely to play up on the RR imo.
Early Turbos have a tendency to whole pistons the propshaft is a weak spot as is the air suspension (that's pretty much a problem with all SUV's) the RR/RRS need there gearbox fluid replaced as per schedule the 4.2 Supercharged engine is very reliable.
There are some other V8 SUV's you may have missed:
5.7 Jeep Grand Cherokee
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
There also the BMW 4,8is these are a fun car
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
Cayenne 4.5S
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
4.8S
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
Turbo
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
RR Vogue SE
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
There are some other V8 SUV's you may have missed:
5.7 Jeep Grand Cherokee
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
There also the BMW 4,8is these are a fun car
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
Cayenne 4.5S
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
4.8S
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
Turbo
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
RR Vogue SE
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202...
Thank you both for your replies here.
My short spell with the 4.5 V8 S saw me recovered from the M4 after 2 ABS sensors went and then four days after getting it back, the gearbox lunching itself after the fluids were changed in it.
A bit of unpredictability in starting / completing a journey without warning lights and a decent soundtrack is far more appealing than a dull and reliable motor.
I’m leaning towards the Cayenne but the RRs caught my eye thanks to Matt at High Peak Autos on YouTube.
I discounted the X5s purely on the strength of the engine issues they can have - formerly looked at 7 series of that age and electrical modules + engine issues just seemed to be slightly too likely to happen compared to the maybe of some other motors.
I’ve scoured Autotrader and Gumtree for the likely candidates and some of the pricing seems ambitious given the length of time the stock has been around. That Cayenne Turbo on the list has an interesting history and unfortunately I missed out on a better, younger one for £2k less last week as my refund hadn’t come through just then.
The longer I have to look the more itchy I get. My 7 year old just thinks I should get a Range Rover for the TVs in the head rests... if only it was that simple...
My short spell with the 4.5 V8 S saw me recovered from the M4 after 2 ABS sensors went and then four days after getting it back, the gearbox lunching itself after the fluids were changed in it.
A bit of unpredictability in starting / completing a journey without warning lights and a decent soundtrack is far more appealing than a dull and reliable motor.
I’m leaning towards the Cayenne but the RRs caught my eye thanks to Matt at High Peak Autos on YouTube.
I discounted the X5s purely on the strength of the engine issues they can have - formerly looked at 7 series of that age and electrical modules + engine issues just seemed to be slightly too likely to happen compared to the maybe of some other motors.
I’ve scoured Autotrader and Gumtree for the likely candidates and some of the pricing seems ambitious given the length of time the stock has been around. That Cayenne Turbo on the list has an interesting history and unfortunately I missed out on a better, younger one for £2k less last week as my refund hadn’t come through just then.
The longer I have to look the more itchy I get. My 7 year old just thinks I should get a Range Rover for the TVs in the head rests... if only it was that simple...
Having had a Range Rover Supercharged, a Cayenne Turbo and an X5is...... I would recommend an X5 4.8IS. It has the air suspension off the Range Rover but is otherwise pretty bomb proof bar valve stem seals (it's easy to see if that's going to be a problem just by letting it idle).
The Cayenne is by far the fastest and most fun, the Range Rover has by far the most sense of occasion and the X5 was the best all rounder, the bits were cheaper and it's actually a really nice thing. The X5 was the cheapest to run by far, the Cayenne needed a prop shaft/bearing and then a load of rear air suspension bits the Range Rover needed a gearbox rebuild, front struts, a steering rack and by the end of my 50K mile tenure the drivers side heated seat had failed, the nav packed up and the DVD changer no longer worked along with a load of other niggles.
Now go and buy a Range Rover because if you don't you'll regret it. A nice L322 Supercharged is a wonderful thing regardless of what goes wrong with it
The Cayenne is by far the fastest and most fun, the Range Rover has by far the most sense of occasion and the X5 was the best all rounder, the bits were cheaper and it's actually a really nice thing. The X5 was the cheapest to run by far, the Cayenne needed a prop shaft/bearing and then a load of rear air suspension bits the Range Rover needed a gearbox rebuild, front struts, a steering rack and by the end of my 50K mile tenure the drivers side heated seat had failed, the nav packed up and the DVD changer no longer worked along with a load of other niggles.
Now go and buy a Range Rover because if you don't you'll regret it. A nice L322 Supercharged is a wonderful thing regardless of what goes wrong with it
Had a 2005 Cayenne V8S for 3 years now. Very high spec car. Bought at 88K now on 125K. In that time its had front brakes, discs & pads were £300 from Halfords & 80 quid to a mechanic mate to change them. One major & two minor services at an OPC plus a brake fluid change. Also had all the fluids changed, gear box, both diffs, transfer box. Had a header tank early this year (weak spot).as well as a set of tailgate struts )another weak spot)
Just about to be serviced again with oil & filters but by my mechanic again as fallen out with OPC.
Bore issues on the V8 are rare I run Comma Motorsport 15W/50 instead of the Mobil1 dishwater. Service intervals officially are every 2 years but I do it yearly/.
It had a new set of summers when I bought it 19" Vredestein Vorti 275/40 x 19" Its had one set of winters last year which are on 18" Dunlop Sport 5 Winters. Neither are N rated. Both have loads of tread left. It also had a geo check when the summers went on & it was miles out.
Only bit that is broken at the mo is the panoramic sunroof which is dead silent. It failed at the end of last year & haven't had it looked at yet.
Weak spots are plastic water pipes under the V which Porsche kit replaces with aluminium, a pair of plastic Tees at the back of the block which you can get aftermarket metal ones for. And carden or propshafts where the centre bearing diaphram breaks up. There s a cheaper fix than a new prop.
You must keep the bulkhead drains, behind the front wheel arch liners clear otherwise it floods the interior & knackers the wiring, this can write a car off.
Great Facebook group for all Cayennes, plenty mainly in the US with 200K plus & some with 300K plus. V6 is quite stressed as it struggles with 2T plus so not really cheaper to run as people think.
The Turbo is great but expensive to run, Turbo S brakes are very expensive. The V8S is 340BHP & will leave a lot of cars for dead & it's handling is better than a 2+T car should be.
Just about to be serviced again with oil & filters but by my mechanic again as fallen out with OPC.
Bore issues on the V8 are rare I run Comma Motorsport 15W/50 instead of the Mobil1 dishwater. Service intervals officially are every 2 years but I do it yearly/.
It had a new set of summers when I bought it 19" Vredestein Vorti 275/40 x 19" Its had one set of winters last year which are on 18" Dunlop Sport 5 Winters. Neither are N rated. Both have loads of tread left. It also had a geo check when the summers went on & it was miles out.
Only bit that is broken at the mo is the panoramic sunroof which is dead silent. It failed at the end of last year & haven't had it looked at yet.
Weak spots are plastic water pipes under the V which Porsche kit replaces with aluminium, a pair of plastic Tees at the back of the block which you can get aftermarket metal ones for. And carden or propshafts where the centre bearing diaphram breaks up. There s a cheaper fix than a new prop.
You must keep the bulkhead drains, behind the front wheel arch liners clear otherwise it floods the interior & knackers the wiring, this can write a car off.
Great Facebook group for all Cayennes, plenty mainly in the US with 200K plus & some with 300K plus. V6 is quite stressed as it struggles with 2T plus so not really cheaper to run as people think.
The Turbo is great but expensive to run, Turbo S brakes are very expensive. The V8S is 340BHP & will leave a lot of cars for dead & it's handling is better than a 2+T car should be.
The ongoing maintenance is something I’m more than comfortable with, I ran a Jag XFS for a couple of years before the Cayenne and that took a fair bit to keep on the road.
The annoying thing is my Cayenne of 21 days had already had the prop shaft bearing, the plastic coolant pipes and the boot struts replaced so should have been good to go. I did the drains as soon as I got it home with some bamboo and a screwdriver and settled in to some happy motoring times (for a week).
I picked up a set of 18” winter tyres complete with wheels for £200 on eBay and they’re hung in the garage in a frame I made up for them.
There seem to be quite a few RRs for sale compared to the Cayennes (particularly the turbos at present) and they’re becoming more appealing.
I get the all round nature of the X5 but I think it’s more the sense of occasion that I’m after and the BMW cockpits just haven’t ever felt that special to me. The Porsche dash is lovely (especially the colour screen and NASA typeface on the digital speedo of the Turbo). The RR just has that presence that I doubt anything other than a Roller could genuinely match.
If I don’t hear back from my Cayenne owners that I’ve put calls into today then there are two fairly local RR Supercharged versions that are on my hit list.
From the sounds of it I won’t be disappointed whichever path I take.
The annoying thing is my Cayenne of 21 days had already had the prop shaft bearing, the plastic coolant pipes and the boot struts replaced so should have been good to go. I did the drains as soon as I got it home with some bamboo and a screwdriver and settled in to some happy motoring times (for a week).
I picked up a set of 18” winter tyres complete with wheels for £200 on eBay and they’re hung in the garage in a frame I made up for them.
There seem to be quite a few RRs for sale compared to the Cayennes (particularly the turbos at present) and they’re becoming more appealing.
I get the all round nature of the X5 but I think it’s more the sense of occasion that I’m after and the BMW cockpits just haven’t ever felt that special to me. The Porsche dash is lovely (especially the colour screen and NASA typeface on the digital speedo of the Turbo). The RR just has that presence that I doubt anything other than a Roller could genuinely match.
If I don’t hear back from my Cayenne owners that I’ve put calls into today then there are two fairly local RR Supercharged versions that are on my hit list.
From the sounds of it I won’t be disappointed whichever path I take.
L322 RR's are lovely, when they work. I think I did a thread on my 2004 somewhere here, but I had to do common failures:
Radiator, fan clutch, front suspension legs, transfer box potentiometer (I figured out how to repair this, you can't buy them and they wear a little each time it's started), HVAC fan (cut the dash open, much faster), dash pixels, all cooling system clamps because the factory ones give up over time, expansion tank - as well as the usual servicing, discs pads etc. Mine was on LPG, I had to rebuild the fuel block thing (easy gasket change) and all clamps, but it worked very well indeed.
Then the gearbox expired, 2.5K rebuild. I px'ed it for 2.5K so I could have something I could rely on.
I didn't have the common ignition switch, steering column lock actuator, heated seat failures etc.
At 100K miles, the gearboxes are on borrowed time. Flushing them can make it worse. Trans oil coolers block with sludge too, cleaning these is a good idea.
Great as a second car, but at the money/age/mileage you're talking about, they really are a wallet-killing time bomb. Even if you do it yourself, like I did 90%.
I'd still have another though, preferably a supercharged one so the awful half-developed BMW 4.4 is nowhere near me. Or a TDV8. But I am an idiot.
Radiator, fan clutch, front suspension legs, transfer box potentiometer (I figured out how to repair this, you can't buy them and they wear a little each time it's started), HVAC fan (cut the dash open, much faster), dash pixels, all cooling system clamps because the factory ones give up over time, expansion tank - as well as the usual servicing, discs pads etc. Mine was on LPG, I had to rebuild the fuel block thing (easy gasket change) and all clamps, but it worked very well indeed.
Then the gearbox expired, 2.5K rebuild. I px'ed it for 2.5K so I could have something I could rely on.
I didn't have the common ignition switch, steering column lock actuator, heated seat failures etc.
At 100K miles, the gearboxes are on borrowed time. Flushing them can make it worse. Trans oil coolers block with sludge too, cleaning these is a good idea.
Great as a second car, but at the money/age/mileage you're talking about, they really are a wallet-killing time bomb. Even if you do it yourself, like I did 90%.
I'd still have another though, preferably a supercharged one so the awful half-developed BMW 4.4 is nowhere near me. Or a TDV8. But I am an idiot.
Well, thought I’d. Ring this thread to a relatively swift conclusion.
I went to view a 56 plate Cayenne S last night and it looked in fine condition, both mechanically + interior and exterior. Only has 73,000 miles compared to my previous 122,000 mile example.
Had a drive and felt much tighter and more responsive than my previous version so agreed a price and drove it home.
Had a blast in it and hopefully will last for a couple of years or until I get bored again.
Thanks all for submissions, pointers and guidance.
I went to view a 56 plate Cayenne S last night and it looked in fine condition, both mechanically + interior and exterior. Only has 73,000 miles compared to my previous 122,000 mile example.
Had a drive and felt much tighter and more responsive than my previous version so agreed a price and drove it home.
Had a blast in it and hopefully will last for a couple of years or until I get bored again.
Thanks all for submissions, pointers and guidance.
Thanks again ZX10R for the view across the market.
I paid less than £6k for it, which when stacked up against the other non-turbo models felt a good price for the condition (as far as I can tell).
Also has fresh battery (end May) and recent coil packs and suspension arms.
Brakes will need attention at some point but perfectly fine for now
I paid less than £6k for it, which when stacked up against the other non-turbo models felt a good price for the condition (as far as I can tell).
Also has fresh battery (end May) and recent coil packs and suspension arms.
Brakes will need attention at some point but perfectly fine for now
I bought my `53 plate Cayenne S in 2013 for a specific use for a few months, intending to sell it after that (~6 months later).
Still got it - they're damn good cars. I neglect mine and it's cost me very little in recent years. Did get a warning about brakes at the MOT a year ago and bought 4 discs and pads when lockdown started (under £400) but still haven't got around to fitting them.
Still got it - they're damn good cars. I neglect mine and it's cost me very little in recent years. Did get a warning about brakes at the MOT a year ago and bought 4 discs and pads when lockdown started (under £400) but still haven't got around to fitting them.
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