Hong Kong, the crackdown starts
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Dont like rolls said:
The worlds leading (disgusting) totalitarian state starts its crackdown.....feel sorry for anyone there, the "protesters" are stuffed and now face "re-education" time.
Time to ban all trade with China, it is now the equivalent to the Swiss trading in gold teeth with Nazi Germany.
Nose and face spring to mind though.Time to ban all trade with China, it is now the equivalent to the Swiss trading in gold teeth with Nazi Germany.
TX.
It is not good.
I have been to Hong Kong twice over the past 10 years and very quickly you form a connection with the place. Our UK and HK's history is very obvious when you get in to the city and the people, both native and 'foreigner' are all very friendly. The atmosphere there is of hard working people looking to better their life and also making a real attempt to enjoy their time whilst doing so.
It has what I would call a great example of a democratic capitalist environment with everyone not only working for themselves but also working for "the city" and for community.
But of course all that is now to change thanks to the communists.
I do hope that many of the Hong Kongers who are able to move to a free democratic environment can do so, I know I would more than welcome any of them in to the UK. (Be nice to exchange them for our pro-socialist UK rioters who would be more than pleased to go and live in a new red flag environment that they obviously ideolise)
Seriously though, its a tragedy for Hong Kongers and for the continuance of Hong Kong city, kowloon and a free market presence in China.
The whole debacle will of course now make it easier for the west to lower its trade with China and its now up to the likes of you, me and everyone else in the "free world" to buy more from a "thinking man's" stand-point rather than buying purely with wallet in mind for very cheap tat that comes out of the communist regime.
I have been to Hong Kong twice over the past 10 years and very quickly you form a connection with the place. Our UK and HK's history is very obvious when you get in to the city and the people, both native and 'foreigner' are all very friendly. The atmosphere there is of hard working people looking to better their life and also making a real attempt to enjoy their time whilst doing so.
It has what I would call a great example of a democratic capitalist environment with everyone not only working for themselves but also working for "the city" and for community.
But of course all that is now to change thanks to the communists.
I do hope that many of the Hong Kongers who are able to move to a free democratic environment can do so, I know I would more than welcome any of them in to the UK. (Be nice to exchange them for our pro-socialist UK rioters who would be more than pleased to go and live in a new red flag environment that they obviously ideolise)
Seriously though, its a tragedy for Hong Kongers and for the continuance of Hong Kong city, kowloon and a free market presence in China.
The whole debacle will of course now make it easier for the west to lower its trade with China and its now up to the likes of you, me and everyone else in the "free world" to buy more from a "thinking man's" stand-point rather than buying purely with wallet in mind for very cheap tat that comes out of the communist regime.
One of my sons worked there for a couple of years.
Honk Kongers hated the Chinese mainlanders that used to come over for the day buying all the stuff they couldn't get in China. There were protests about them visiting just 3 years ago when my wife and I were there...
Wonder if China's next acquisition will be Bicester shopping village?
Thank goodness he moved to Australia to live.
Honk Kongers hated the Chinese mainlanders that used to come over for the day buying all the stuff they couldn't get in China. There were protests about them visiting just 3 years ago when my wife and I were there...
Wonder if China's next acquisition will be Bicester shopping village?
Thank goodness he moved to Australia to live.
Edited by andygo on Wednesday 1st July 11:20
GroundZero said:
It is not good.
I have been to Hong Kong twice over the past 10 years and very quickly you form a connection with the place. Our UK and HK's history is very obvious when you get in to the city and the people, both native and 'foreigner' are all very friendly. The atmosphere there is of hard working people looking to better their life and also making a real attempt to enjoy their time whilst doing so.
It has what I would call a great example of a democratic capitalist environment with everyone not only working for themselves but also working for "the city" and for community.
Indeed, I went last year alone just to walk around and take it all in for a week and on the surface it was the most polite, efficient and enjoyable place I've ever been. From a purely selfish perspective I had planned to return once the whole COVID thing has died down, but I feel that's very unlikely now even if it's unlikely to have a direct impact on most tourists.I have been to Hong Kong twice over the past 10 years and very quickly you form a connection with the place. Our UK and HK's history is very obvious when you get in to the city and the people, both native and 'foreigner' are all very friendly. The atmosphere there is of hard working people looking to better their life and also making a real attempt to enjoy their time whilst doing so.
It has what I would call a great example of a democratic capitalist environment with everyone not only working for themselves but also working for "the city" and for community.
andygo said:
Honk Kongers hated the Chinese mainlanders that used to come over for the day buying all the stuff they couldn't get in China. There were protests about them visiting just 3 years ago when my wife and I were there...
I won't deny there a streak of anti-mainland sentiment in HK. But attributing the 2017 protests to resentment of mainland tourists is so far off the mark it's not funny. If you want to know why people were protesting in 2017, read this. plenty said:
andygo said:
Honk Kongers hated the Chinese mainlanders that used to come over for the day buying all the stuff they couldn't get in China. There were protests about them visiting just 3 years ago when my wife and I were there...
I won't deny there a streak of anti-mainland sentiment in HK. But attributing the 2017 protests to resentment of mainland tourists is so far off the mark it's not funny. If you want to know why people were protesting in 2017, read this. I've really been thinking today about the profound effect that horrible regime in China is having on my life personally, sitting here in my SW London flat this morning.
Their evasiveness and dishonesty in the early stages Covid has arguably significantly contributed to the situation we are all in today, and now this in HK... a place I absolutely fell in love with after a first visit a few years ago and had the wheels in motion to go and live and work out there before this started. Who'd want to now.
HK was a magical, hilarious place which will have it's soul ripped out very shortly... feel like I'm watching a dear friend wasting way to cancer or something!!! (melodramatic I know but true.)
Friends over there are planning their abrupt escapes in the coming months.
Their evasiveness and dishonesty in the early stages Covid has arguably significantly contributed to the situation we are all in today, and now this in HK... a place I absolutely fell in love with after a first visit a few years ago and had the wheels in motion to go and live and work out there before this started. Who'd want to now.
HK was a magical, hilarious place which will have it's soul ripped out very shortly... feel like I'm watching a dear friend wasting way to cancer or something!!! (melodramatic I know but true.)
Friends over there are planning their abrupt escapes in the coming months.
Yes it's very sad but I'm surprised it's taken China this long to be honest. I'm also surprised they didn't just send in the PLA to crush the protests.
That's not to excuse the Chinese regime at all, but it's just the way it is. China just doesn't give a toss about what the rest of the world thinks.
And we should be offering any Hong Kongers a way out if they want one. Hard working and industrious and would, I hope, be a net benefit to the UK.
That's not to excuse the Chinese regime at all, but it's just the way it is. China just doesn't give a toss about what the rest of the world thinks.
And we should be offering any Hong Kongers a way out if they want one. Hard working and industrious and would, I hope, be a net benefit to the UK.
BigMon said:
And we should be offering any Hong Kongers a way out if they want one. Hard working and industrious and would, I hope, be a net benefit to the UK.
Boris has just said UK Gov will be introducing that if China implements this as the new "Laws" (method of suppression-my words) is in contravention of the China/Uk Treaty on HK.BigMon said:
Yes it's very sad but I'm surprised it's taken China this long to be honest. I'm also surprised they didn't just send in the PLA to crush the protests.
That's not to excuse the Chinese regime at all, but it's just the way it is. China just doesn't give a toss about what the rest of the world thinks.
And we should be offering any Hong Kongers a way out if they want one. Hard working and industrious and would, I hope, be a net benefit to the UK.
Agreed; I suspect that China's rulers said "shall we send in the tanks and crush opposition in HK with deadly force?" "Hmm, actually let's just make any opposition illegal, then we can arrest anyone who speaks out. Never to be seen again. The message will soon get around, and if people can move to the UK or elsewhere, let them. We don't give a damn about what anyone thinks anyway."That's not to excuse the Chinese regime at all, but it's just the way it is. China just doesn't give a toss about what the rest of the world thinks.
And we should be offering any Hong Kongers a way out if they want one. Hard working and industrious and would, I hope, be a net benefit to the UK.
It disappoints me that people I know will rage and froth about Trump, or racist police in the USA. Yet ask them about China, and they say "great food, cheap electronics, what's not to like, apart from Covid?" (I'm paraphrasing of course). They cannot see that China is by far the greatest economic and environmental influence in this world, often in a very bad way.
China were always keen for the Hong Kong police to deal with the protests. They got impatient though and labelled the protesters as being like terrorists.
It’s not really how China would invade though, there’s a decent PLA presence in Hong Kong already.
When the British left Hong Kong they historically and symbolically left by sea with the governor getting on a launch and leaving on the Britannia. The Chinese army came in by land.
To look non threatening the first PLA arrived in plain clothes.
In true PLA communist style though the army were issued plain clothes which was matching trousers and three different styles of shirt. Oddly seeing loads of Chinese soldiers arriving in matching dodgy communist casual wear looked much more sinister than uniform.
By then it was far too late and Britain had sacrificed Hong Kong Chinese for improving trade and relations with mainland China.
China was and is massively important to the U.K. and covid or Hong Kong isn’t going to stop the U.K. doing business with them.
It’s not really how China would invade though, there’s a decent PLA presence in Hong Kong already.
When the British left Hong Kong they historically and symbolically left by sea with the governor getting on a launch and leaving on the Britannia. The Chinese army came in by land.
To look non threatening the first PLA arrived in plain clothes.
In true PLA communist style though the army were issued plain clothes which was matching trousers and three different styles of shirt. Oddly seeing loads of Chinese soldiers arriving in matching dodgy communist casual wear looked much more sinister than uniform.
By then it was far too late and Britain had sacrificed Hong Kong Chinese for improving trade and relations with mainland China.
China was and is massively important to the U.K. and covid or Hong Kong isn’t going to stop the U.K. doing business with them.
El stovey said:
China were always keen for the Hong Kong police to deal with the protests. They got impatient though and labelled the protesters as being like terrorists.
It’s not really how China would invade though, there’s a decent PLA presence in Hong Kong already.
When the British left Hong Kong they historically and symbolically left by sea with the governor getting on a launch and leaving on the Britannia. The Chinese army came in by land.
To look non threatening the first PLA arrived in plain clothes.
In true PLA communist style though the army were issued plain clothes which was matching trousers and three different styles of shirt. Oddly seeing loads of Chinese soldiers arriving in matching dodgy communist casual wear looked much more sinister than uniform.
By then it was far too late and Britain had sacrificed Hong Kong Chinese for improving trade and relations with mainland China.
China was and is massively important to the U.K. and covid or Hong Kong isn’t going to stop the U.K. doing business with them.
Wont the very essence of what makes HK what it is be altered irrevocably when the people who inhabit it leave before the coming storm of chinese commucapitlism and all that supression stuff they do so well?It’s not really how China would invade though, there’s a decent PLA presence in Hong Kong already.
When the British left Hong Kong they historically and symbolically left by sea with the governor getting on a launch and leaving on the Britannia. The Chinese army came in by land.
To look non threatening the first PLA arrived in plain clothes.
In true PLA communist style though the army were issued plain clothes which was matching trousers and three different styles of shirt. Oddly seeing loads of Chinese soldiers arriving in matching dodgy communist casual wear looked much more sinister than uniform.
By then it was far too late and Britain had sacrificed Hong Kong Chinese for improving trade and relations with mainland China.
China was and is massively important to the U.K. and covid or Hong Kong isn’t going to stop the U.K. doing business with them.
HK will end up just like the rest of china surely?
Btw, I do hope the HK'ers who want to leave are allowed to come to the uk, as long as the triads are excluded, really dont want them here.
Dont Panic said:
Wont the very essence of what makes HK what it is be altered irrevocably when the people who inhabit it leave before the coming storm of chinese commucapitlism and all that supression stuff they do so well?
HK will end up just like the rest of china surely?
Btw, I do hope the HK'ers who want to leave are allowed to come to the uk, as long as the triads are excluded, really dont want them here.
Triads are already here. Any Chinatown has them, all over the world. HK will end up just like the rest of china surely?
Btw, I do hope the HK'ers who want to leave are allowed to come to the uk, as long as the triads are excluded, really dont want them here.
China has all kinds of special economic zones already, Hong Kong will just merge into Shenzhen as one big one. There might be some nice old buildings and evidence of its colonial past surviving still like you can find in Shanghai if you look hard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triads_in_the_United...
GroundZero said:
It is not good.
Be nice to exchange them for our pro-socialist UK rioters who would be more than pleased to go and live in a new red flag environment that they obviously ideolise
yeah because everyone left of UKIP is a communist Be nice to exchange them for our pro-socialist UK rioters who would be more than pleased to go and live in a new red flag environment that they obviously ideolise
But agree with you on the rest of your comment, I hope that people who can are able to take up the offer. It is stunning quite how brazen the Chinese authorities can be about this as they know that their is nothing the international community can really do.
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