The Karen Paradox
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God people are so offended... The only reason anyone is referred to as a "Karen" is because they are a self entitled angry woman. I don't see why self entitled angry women should be defended. A strong woman having an adult discussion about an issue is entirely different. No-one is trying to take that away from women.
Triumph Man said:
God people are so offended... The only reason anyone is referred to as a "Karen" is because they are a self entitled angry woman. I don't see why self entitled angry women should be defended. A strong woman having an adult discussion about an issue is entirely different. No-one is trying to take that away from women.
How can you have an adult discussion with someone who reduces the conversation to calling someone a Karen.It's just shorthand, isn't it? Much easier to type "Karen" than "self entitled woman on the internet with a total inability to grasp basic statistics and her own risk", surely?
I resent this appropriation of language; you know, the way people say "I'm offended by this word so no one else is allowed to use it!"
Now of course, some words (such as the "N" word) become unacceptable, that's the way language evolves. But at present, words like "Karen" and "Gammon" are useful shorthands to describe a character type; this might change over time.
I resent this appropriation of language; you know, the way people say "I'm offended by this word so no one else is allowed to use it!"
Now of course, some words (such as the "N" word) become unacceptable, that's the way language evolves. But at present, words like "Karen" and "Gammon" are useful shorthands to describe a character type; this might change over time.
ReallyReallyGood said:
Triumph Man said:
God people are so offended... The only reason anyone is referred to as a "Karen" is because they are a self entitled angry woman. I don't see why self entitled angry women should be defended. A strong woman having an adult discussion about an issue is entirely different. No-one is trying to take that away from women.
How can you have an adult discussion with someone who reduces the conversation to calling someone a Karen.
We've had "Dave", white van man, for years. There's even a TV channel called Dave, with stuff that would appeal to Dave. I know a few Daves, and none of them seen remotely bothered.
We've also had Nigels (geeks), Hooray Henrys, Tim (nice but dim). Others too, that I've no doubt forgotten.
We've also had Nigels (geeks), Hooray Henrys, Tim (nice but dim). Others too, that I've no doubt forgotten.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
We've had "Dave", white van man, for years. There's even a TV channel called Dave, with stuff that would appeal to Dave. I know a few Daves, and none of them seen remotely bothered.
We've also had Nigels (geeks), Hooray Henrys, Tim (nice but dim). Others too, that I've no doubt forgotten.
Trevor, Sharon!!We've also had Nigels (geeks), Hooray Henrys, Tim (nice but dim). Others too, that I've no doubt forgotten.
Brave Fart said:
It's just shorthand, isn't it? Much easier to type "Karen" than "self entitled woman on the internet with a total inability to grasp basic statistics and her own risk", surely?
I resent this appropriation of language; you know, the way people say "I'm offended by this word so no one else is allowed to use it!"
Now of course, some words (such as the "N" word) become unacceptable, that's the way language evolves. But at present, words like "Karen" and "Gammon" are useful shorthands to describe a character type; this might change over time.
Shorthand or generalising?I resent this appropriation of language; you know, the way people say "I'm offended by this word so no one else is allowed to use it!"
Now of course, some words (such as the "N" word) become unacceptable, that's the way language evolves. But at present, words like "Karen" and "Gammon" are useful shorthands to describe a character type; this might change over time.
To me it's on a scale of puerile name-calling even if comparing it to the N word is utterly ridiculous.
Also resenting it seems a bit ironic as it's basically saying 'I resent not being able to express something I feel is an acceptable view about someone who resents not being able to express a view that they feel is acceptable'
They might be idiots, but don't lower yourself to their level.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
We've had "Dave", white van man, for years. There's even a TV channel called Dave, with stuff that would appeal to Dave. I know a few Daves, and none of them seen remotely bothered.
We've also had Nigels (geeks), Hooray Henrys, Tim (nice but dim). Others too, that I've no doubt forgotten.
As a Tim, I resemble that remark...We've also had Nigels (geeks), Hooray Henrys, Tim (nice but dim). Others too, that I've no doubt forgotten.
Twitter and social media have allowed us to over-analyse ourselves to death. It's no wonder we can no longer have satire when our courts are being asked to rule on who has priority in a disabled/buggy space on a bus or define what is and isn't hate speech. What was once part of cultural context must now be specifically defined, which is as impossible as measuring a shoreline.
Just as you can be racist whilst using the most polite language and use racist language without being a racist, I feel we're reaching the limits of definition in language, with social media requiring us to become an even lower-context culture than we already are.
Just as you can be racist whilst using the most polite language and use racist language without being a racist, I feel we're reaching the limits of definition in language, with social media requiring us to become an even lower-context culture than we already are.
She's a vegan and a misandrist, why pay her any attention?
You should read some of her other tweets, quite telling. https://twitter.com/emillyswaven?lang=en
April 23 - "Enjoy eating sentient beings you mouth-breather!!!"
May 24 - "I'm pregnant! having a scan soon to find out if it's a girl or an abortion"
Unsurprisingly a lot of people suggest she calls her daughter Karen
You should read some of her other tweets, quite telling. https://twitter.com/emillyswaven?lang=en
April 23 - "Enjoy eating sentient beings you mouth-breather!!!"
May 24 - "I'm pregnant! having a scan soon to find out if it's a girl or an abortion"
Unsurprisingly a lot of people suggest she calls her daughter Karen
It's a negative term deliberately used to dehumanize a person. Just because its laughable to compare it to the N word doesn't not mean it should be acceptable to use it, especially when it's used to stop reasonable debate on a person's actions, good or bad. IE l, "what a Karen, she got what all Karen's should get". People should be judged on their actions, not because someone else labels them with a derogatory acceptable term.
There is a reason most stereotypes are considered in bad taste.
There is a reason most stereotypes are considered in bad taste.
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