Sprocket carrier stud...
Sprocket carrier stud...
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the cueball

Original Poster:

1,913 posts

85 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Has anyone ever seen one fail / become loose before?



The actual nut was still on it, I’ve just removed it for the picture.

It’s done a fair amount of damage to swing arm too.



Never seen anything like it...

Krikkit

27,938 posts

211 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Wow that's horrible! What does it look like from the other side? Wonder if it was overtorqued and gradually crept through.

trickywoo

14,242 posts

260 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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What make of bike is it?

the cueball

Original Poster:

1,913 posts

85 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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I’ll need to get the wheel dismantled to get into the back of it, all were done to service manual spec NM.

It’s a Yamaha MT09.

the cueball

Original Poster:

1,913 posts

85 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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No, the bike is 6 years old.

What do you mean the state of the other fastener?

It’s a brand new black titanium bolt..Or do you mean something else?

moto_traxport

4,264 posts

251 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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It's happened to me twice.

First time on a Ducati 900SS in the early 90's and recently with a set Dymag wheels on a track R1.

Check / replace / torque / threadlock all of them. File down sharp edges of damage / black paint & then forget about it.

mckeann

2,996 posts

259 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Wow. Mental.

Semmelweiss

1,839 posts

226 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Titanium nuts & bolts through steel? Ti doesn't stretch, I guess that when it does shear, it does so with catastrophic failure.

Have a squiz at this, it might provide some explanation?
https://youtu.be/z2rOdv5QXOw

the cueball

Original Poster:

1,913 posts

85 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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No, only the nuts are titanium.

The stud is the plain OE one that has always been there.

I guess I managed to dislodge it somehow when taking off/putting on the nuts? The only thing I can think of.


the cueball

Original Poster:

1,913 posts

85 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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moto_traxport said:
It's happened to me twice.

First time on a Ducati 900SS in the early 90's and recently with a set Dymag wheels on a track R1.

Check / replace / torque / threadlock all of them. File down sharp edges of damage / black paint & then forget about it.
Glad (well not glad, you know what I mean) to hear it’s happened to at least 1 other person!

Yeah I’m thinking just make it into a weight saving feature... I’m guessing it isn’t a massive loss to the integrity of the swingarm?

SAS Tom

3,755 posts

204 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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I don’t understand what’s happened? Are you saying the stud has come through further than it’s meant to? I can’t see how that would happen as they’re flat on the other side to stop them being pulled through.

Had the nut undone itself and that’s what caused the damage?

Either way I definitely wouldn’t be using that swingarm.

Jazoli

9,681 posts

280 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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SAS Tom said:
I don’t understand what’s happened? Are you saying the stud has come through further than it’s meant to? I can’t see how that would happen as they’re flat on the other side to stop them being pulled through.

Had the nut undone itself and that’s what caused the damage?

Either way I definitely wouldn’t be using that swingarm.
I wouldn't be using it either, I'll be interested to see the rear of the sprocket carrier as it shouldn't have happened.

bimsb6

8,795 posts

251 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Looks like the nut has come undone and chewed through the arm until it hit hard enough to bend the stud .

lukeyman

1,101 posts

165 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Blimey. Not very clever is it.

Just sold my MT...

Whistle...

bimsb6

8,795 posts

251 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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There’s a good one on ebay for £40 .

InitialDave

15,143 posts

149 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Yeah, stud has backed out and hit the arm. Hopefully the thread in the wheel is still ok.

Guess someone forgot the loctite when putting the stud in.

bimsb6

8,795 posts

251 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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SAS Tom said:
I don’t understand what’s happened? Are you saying the stud has come through further than it’s meant to? I can’t see how that would happen as they’re flat on the other side to stop them being pulled through.

Had the nut undone itself and that’s what caused the damage?

Either way I definitely wouldn’t be using that swingarm.
On that bike they are just straight studs no mushroom head or any head at all .

SAS Tom

3,755 posts

204 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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bimsb6 said:
On that bike they are just straight studs no mushroom head or any head at all .
Ahh ok that makes more sense then. Can’t say I recall seeing that before.

the cueball

Original Poster:

1,913 posts

85 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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Yeah it’s just a straight stud.

It’s been fine for 6 years and 15k miles, never had any issues with it.

The nut was still on the stud exactly where it should have been, so that didn’t come loose.

I think it’s been the whole stud that worked it’s way out then hit the swingarm.

I’ll need to see what damage, is any has been done to the thread of the sprocket carrier.

So the consensus would be to swop out the swing arm too??

It’ll literally the top bit of the casting that’s away (probably a couple of mm of metal) - behind it is all clear space... but I don’t mind changing it, it was my first thought too.

Edited by the cueball on Sunday 12th July 18:02

Jazoli

9,681 posts

280 months

Sunday 12th July 2020
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If a used swing arm can be had cheaply then I would change it personally, I'm sure some on here wouldn't and will proudly boast of their escapades riding old stters held together with duct tape and cable ties but for me it will have been designed to flex and move in a certain way and it might not do that any more and you could have introduced a failure point, better to err on the side of caution in my opinion, plus it looks st now biggrin