Power grab from Wales/Scotland

[worsy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-53425...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53423123

Can someone help me understand this as I plainly don't. As I read it, the EU currently makes the rules for trade that we must follow. Post Brexit the proposal here is that the UK Govt makes the rules in order to ensure all 4 countries within the Union are able to trade seamlessly.

How does that constitute a Power Grab by the UK Govt that strips power from Scotland and Wales? I'm genuinely intrigued as this just appears to be a an argument that black is white.

[randlemarcus]

Or just let them do their own thing. England makes rules that work, the colonies can buy the rulesets if they want, or make their own up.

[paulrockliffe]

The OP has it right, these are powers that the devolved Governments don't have now that they still won't have in 2021. In Scotland the SNP don't even want these powers, they want to hand them back to the EU.

There is no sensible argument that these powers should be devolved, because to deviate from a common rule book will create the need for checks for goods that cross borders or enable protectionist policies within the UK.

[worsy]

anonymous said:

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Which is a legitimate concern, however the EU currently have the power and could equally accept US chicken. So why is it a power grab?

[paulrockliffe]

worsy said:

anonymous said:

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Which is a legitimate concern, however the EU currently have the power and could equally accept US chicken. So why is it a power grab?

I'm not sure it is a legitimate concern, it ignores that the devolved regions still elect their MPs who go to Westminster where they can influence this legislation directly.

It's easy to forget that is how things are supposed to work in respect of legislation that affects the whole of the UK and is not devolved, after years of the SNP behaving like children in Parliament. But it's their choice to behave in a way that ultimately means they don't command respect among their colleagues, so are often unable to influence legislation the way others are able to.

The 'problem' with chlorinated chicken is that it is entirely confected, arguing with a Government committed not to reduce food standards in trade deals using that example will inevitably lead to those in charge ignoring you. It doesn't reflect how trade deal work, American chicken is largely not chlorinated, it is not lower quality and it ignores that people would ultimately be able to choose whether they buy it or not.

[rustednut]

worsy said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-53425...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53423123

Can someone help me understand this as I plainly don't. As I read it, the EU currently makes the rules for trade that we must follow. Post Brexit the proposal here is that the UK Govt makes the rules in order to ensure all 4 countries within the Union are able to trade seamlessly.

How does that constitute a Power Grab by the UK Govt that strips power from Scotland and Wales? I'm genuinely intrigued as this just appears to be a an argument that black is white.

Doesn't that automatically assume that all 4 countries want the same thing ? Or that they have to follow the rules imposed by central decision ?

If brexit is independance, then surely all 4 countries have that right?

[worsy]

rustednut said:

worsy said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-53425...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53423123

Can someone help me understand this as I plainly don't. As I read it, the EU currently makes the rules for trade that we must follow. Post Brexit the proposal here is that the UK Govt makes the rules in order to ensure all 4 countries within the Union are able to trade seamlessly.

How does that constitute a Power Grab by the UK Govt that strips power from Scotland and Wales? I'm genuinely intrigued as this just appears to be a an argument that black is white.

Doesn't that automatically assume that all 4 countries want the same thing ? Or that they have to follow the rules imposed by central decision ?

If brexit is independance, then surely all 4 countries have that right?

Surely there is a union so we are one entity? Just highlights the absurdity of devolution in the week following some major trouble caused by a number of youths descending on the town to drink alchohol as their pubs are currently closed.

In other news I can travel 15 miles in one direction to attend A&E with free parking but an 8 hour wait, and 15 miles in the other direction to pay for parking but get seen relatively quick. In fact I read recently you now have to book an appt at A&E at the former.

[irc]

The SNP want powers given to them. So that post indy they can hand them to Brussels. They prefer being governed from 500 miles away rather than 400 miles. It's because there is no Toarees in Brussels.

[GC8]

I'm half Scottish and nationalism and English-blaming/hating makes me sad - they took our throne after all, they weren't annexed.

Welsh nationalism on the other hand, makes me angry. What a crock of st: their royalty never amounted to more than a pauper whose seat was in a barn and if the Welsh are entitled to independence then so are the Northumbrians and the Mercians. Both Anglo-Saxon kingdoms have as credible a claim to autonomy as Wales does.



Freedom!

[Fatball]

Unsure as to why they don’t all go their own way. What’s the worst that could happen?

[whitesocks]

GC8 said:

I'm half Scottish and nationalism and English-blaming/hating makes me sad - they took our throne after all, they weren't annexed.

Welsh nationalism on the other hand, makes me angry. What a crock of st: their royalty never amounted to more than a pauper whose seat was in a barn and if the Welsh are entitled to independence then so are the Northumbrians and the Mercians. Both Anglo-Saxon kingdoms have as credible a claim to autonomy as Wales does.



Freedom!

Scotland can pretty much stand on it's own two feet, and has many things to offer the world. But what can the welsh offer the world, like the scots can?

[worsy]

http://www.wrexham.com/news/senedd-reject-proposal...

Topical

Last night the Senedd voted to state Wales’s interests are “best served by its continuing membership of a reformed United Kingdom”, with a proposal to seek a constitutional right to allow the Senedd to legislate during the next term to hold a binding referendum on independence rejected.

[sociopath]

Coronavirus has show what a bunch of muppets the welsh assembly is.

Please dont give us independence

[Evercross]

whitesocks said:

Scotland can pretty much stand on it's own two feet...

Even the SNP don't believe that. Get yourself a copy of the Sustainable Growth Commission Report.

[voyds9]

whitesocks said:

Scotland can pretty much stand on it's own two feet, and has many things to offer the world. But what can the welsh offer the world, like the scots can?

SO you would support the scraping of the Barnett formula and taking only as much as is given to the English
What could be a better way to prove their self sufficiency

[MG CHRIS]

sociopath said:

Coronavirus has show what a bunch of muppets the welsh assembly is.

Please dont give us independence

Totally agree on that dripford has been awful for wales the tides are turning though I do feel change is coming for wales local elections next year will be very telling.