Cayman Stock & Prices

[_speedyellow_]

Hi Guys

Having viewed a few other forums that seemed to be going somewhat off topic I thought I would ask my own questions around new and used car prices.
I am looking to jump into Porsche ownership again and am not in a hurry, I took a look at the example finances options of Porsche & AM and it appears new cars are being incentivised which under the current climate is not a surprise.
https://www.astonmartin.com/en-gb/owners/financial...
https://www.porsche.com/uk/models/718/718-cayman-m...

The AM did have a AM deposit contribution of £15k which has changed again, the Cayman shows a Porsche contribution of just £2000 but having tracked a number of Cayman's of the 2019/2020 ilk they are just a few £k off new prices, but selling well. Speaking to my local OPC they are selling cars and I also have seen a lot of 20 plate cars on the road of various makes, mostly Mercedes if I was to think about it. I myself just took delivery of a 20 plate CLA to replace our Clubman, and end of last quarter got a good £7k off list price on a car that seems to be selling.

So the question and I appreciate no one has a crystal ball here but with the fact manufacturers are offering discounts - what sort of deal could be had on a new car order bearing in mind they are not delivering until March 21 at the moment!
Has anyone managed to snag a good discount? I am looking at a Cayman with additional options of approx £10k (which isn't hard when you add some nice wheels, a bit of leather, PASM, LED lights and so on).

Thanks
Tone

[churchie2856]

The £2K discount on new with finance is £1K from Porsche (VW) Finance, and £1K from the dealer.

I ordered my 718 cayman late summer 2019 and got it in October, so only three months delivery. I got approaching 8% off. They were quiet due to Brexit.

Now demand is higher; stock is lower and builds are longer. So who knows what you get discount wise.

Personally £10K is a lot of options. I went with about £3k worth. You’ll never get you much in return, though its your money. Ask for a number of free options.

Edited by churchie2856 on Friday 24th July 10:17

[churchie2856]

BTW I have PASM with the standard 18 inch wheels. Ride is excellent ... and that’s according to Center Gravity. I would not buy bigger wheels - throwing money away in my opinion, and prone to tyre and rim damage.

[_speedyellow_]

Hi Mate
Many thanks for your input here!
I get what your saying with the extra spec, this is what I ended up speccing! Most of this is what I would call "standard" but obviously isn't with Porsche!

Model name: 718 Cayman
Options: Cruise control
Sports seats (2-way, electric)
Racing Yellow
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
BOSE® Surround Sound System
Standard Interior / Race-Tex in Black
Porsche Crest on storage compartment lid Race-Tex
20-inch Carrera S wheels
Racing Yellow instrument dials
Seat belts racing yellow
Lane Change Assist
Heated multifunction steering wheel
ParkAssist (front and rear) including reversing camera
Speed limit indicator
Automatically dimming interior and exterior mirrors with integrated rain sensor
Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) with ride height lowered by 10 mm
Deletion of the model designation
64-litre fuel tank
Sports tailpipes silver
Electrically folding exterior mirrors including courtesy lighting
Light design package
Base Price: £44,790.00
Price of equipment: £9,799.00
Total price: £54,589.00

If I could get 8% off this lot I would be happy! I used to have a speed yellow Cayman but recently drove a 718 S with 20" alloys and PASM which was pretty good. Hence me adding this to my spec.

Having monitored the current stock, things are moving quite quickly!

Cheers

[julian718]

_speedyellow_ said:

Hi Mate
Many thanks for your input here!
I get what your saying with the extra spec, this is what I ended up speccing! Most of this is what I would call "standard" but obviously isn't with Porsche!

Model name: 718 Cayman
Options: Cruise control
Sports seats (2-way, electric)
Racing Yellow
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
BOSE® Surround Sound System
Standard Interior / Race-Tex in Black
Porsche Crest on storage compartment lid Race-Tex
20-inch Carrera S wheels
Racing Yellow instrument dials
Seat belts racing yellow
Lane Change Assist
Heated multifunction steering wheel
ParkAssist (front and rear) including reversing camera
Speed limit indicator
Automatically dimming interior and exterior mirrors with integrated rain sensor
Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) with ride height lowered by 10 mm
Deletion of the model designation
64-litre fuel tank
Sports tailpipes silver
Electrically folding exterior mirrors including courtesy lighting
Light design package
Base Price: £44,790.00
Price of equipment: £9,799.00
Total price: £54,589.00

If I could get 8% off this lot I would be happy! I used to have a speed yellow Cayman but recently drove a 718 S with 20" alloys and PASM which was pretty good. Hence me adding this to my spec.

Having monitored the current stock, things are moving quite quickly!

Cheers

Do you really rely on a need for
parking cameras?
cruise control?

[anonymous-user]

Cruise is an essential these days for average speed cameras imo. Cheap option too. Basic rear parking beeper prob adequate for parking in most cases.

[churchie2856]

_speedyellow_ said:

Hi Mate
Many thanks for your input here!
I get what your saying with the extra spec, this is what I ended up speccing! Most of this is what I would call "standard" but obviously isn't with Porsche!

Model name: 718 Cayman
Options: Cruise control
Sports seats (2-way, electric)
Racing Yellow
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)
BOSE® Surround Sound System
Standard Interior / Race-Tex in Black
Porsche Crest on storage compartment lid Race-Tex
20-inch Carrera S wheels
Racing Yellow instrument dials
Seat belts racing yellow
Lane Change Assist
Heated multifunction steering wheel
ParkAssist (front and rear) including reversing camera
Speed limit indicator
Automatically dimming interior and exterior mirrors with integrated rain sensor
Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) with ride height lowered by 10 mm
Deletion of the model designation
64-litre fuel tank
Sports tailpipes silver
Electrically folding exterior mirrors including courtesy lighting
Light design package
Base Price: £44,790.00
Price of equipment: £9,799.00
Total price: £54,589.00

If I could get 8% off this lot I would be happy! I used to have a speed yellow Cayman but recently drove a 718 S with 20" alloys and PASM which was pretty good. Hence me adding this to my spec.

Having monitored the current stock, things are moving quite quickly!

Cheers

I really wouldn't forget the climate control. Mine (in daily use) is specified as follows:

GT Silver Metallic <<<< Easy to clean
18-inch Cayman wheels <<<< Cheap, cheap tyres, easy to repair, harder to damage, great ride.
Sports seats (2-way, electric) <<<< Cheap, comfrortable
Black Alcantara and leatherette seats <<<< Cheap, easy to clean, hard wearing, no cracking
Deletion of model designation <<<< Easy to clean around (as not there!)
Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) <<<< Its a daily and in slow heavy traffic I'm too old for doing with a clutch
Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) <<<< With 18s, super smooth on knackered UK roads, but firm on track.
64-litre fuel tank <<<< Its a daily, used for long journeys.
Bi-Xenon main headlights including Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS) <<<< Better than standard, and cheap compared to LEDs
ParkAssist (front and rear) <<<< Tight driveway.
Heated multifunction steering wheel <<<< Used all year round, useful to have controls
Two-zone automatic climate control <<<< Couldn't believe this wasn't standard!!!
Seat heating <<<< Used all year round
Smoking package <<<< Extra charging point, standard one in passenger footwell is pain to reach
Passenger footwell storage net <<<< Free
Alcantara Storage compartment lid with 'PORSCHE' logo <<<< To complement the seats.

[julian718]

"Passenger footwell storage net <<<< Free"

That looks so cheap and nasty like something from a 80's Ford Granda.

[_speedyellow_]

Hi Guys

I am not so hot on replying with many quotes but I was surprised at being lectured at what I feel I need as part of a car specification.
I have most of these options as standard in other vehicles, so have gotten used to them, but as usual you dont get an awful lot from Porsche as standard, although I heard Sports Exhaust and heated seats are standard as is the mandatory PDK gearbox (which I would want because its useful in traffic) is much needed.

Yes even with these bunch of options, I would need to throw another £1500-2k to get a nicer leather interior and its something I am thinking about, I had a poverty spec cayman back in 2007-2010 and then a Cayenne (with £21k of options on it) bought as an ex demo from OPC in 2016 at a good rate so I can see what I would want.

Churchie - yes would add the alcantara elbow pad too!
I'm taking a test drive in one at the weekend so will let you know what happens but I suspect I would put a deposit down for a build slot - or in your humble opinions hang on until end of quarter?
Thanks

[churchie2856]

Good to see heated seats are now included. I’m basically a cheapskate and frankly think leather is a little over rated. Besides when my arse is on the seat I can’t see it and as for leather dash etc - nice touch, but for the money not worth it and it don’t make the car any better performance wise.

Enjoy the test drive and make up your own mind.

Best time to buy ... when they haven’t sold much! I had a couple of test drives ... Told no discounts and so I did nothing. Then just walked in, with no appointment, at 5pm on a Monday mid-summer (was its end of quarter?) with the deal I wanted scribbled on a scrap of paper (10% off basically). They came back with 8%. I said yes. No P/ex and happy to use their finance. Oh, and never bought a car from em before. Just be polite, clear (and reasonable) about what you want and don’t look like a desperate buyer!

[markst]

gosh...well i speced my 718 cayman back in 2016.....and i dont think i made many errors....

full leather....i like Alcantera , but leather really is much better.
Cruise,....a real must have
Climate......a must have
sports exhaust - essential
18 inch wheels........i 've had 20 inch and these are much better.
parking sensors and camera
heated seats
I went Agate grey
bose hi fi

.....one thing i miss.................multi functional steering wheel and the larger petrol tank....

[_speedyellow_]

Well, well I went out in a Cayman T this weekend and quite frankly a lot of things changed for me:

1. PASM - not really worth it, the car I had for a few hours had PASM/Sport Chrono and it rode on 20" Carrera S wheels which was really good. I didnt realise the. PASM in Cayman only had 2 operations, namely sport and comfort (My Cayenne had 3) but I wouldn't need anything other than comfort on 20" wheels.

2. This car had no cruise - I missed that, i drove some 50-60 miles and really noticed it.

3. Multifunction steering wheel - really missed that.

4. Interior, it had some leather with red stitching but the upper door cards with the red pulls for opening the door in a T model were not to my liking at all, I would say having researched this my absolute favourite would be full alcantara (now race tec) but that is limited to GTS and I started looking for 2018+ GTS models to see what is available 2nd hand.
I'd say that without some extended leather the interior was pretty poor and for a £55-£60k car it really needs leather but I am erring towards a GTS..

5. It was 2.0 Cayman (as opposed to S) and I found the power to be just fine with 300BHP available through the PDK gearbox, opening the sports exhaust was a little more fun too, but not as hooligan as I expected...

So I would certainly swap out PASM and that would be towards a extended leather interior.. other than that dual control climate control is a must too, I know remember how crap the standard offering is of a fan, temp control is.. but see in 2021 cars these are standard as is heated seats, dimming rear view mirror and car play.

More configurations to play with but I still cant figure out how I get extended leather with yellow stitching...

[DJMC]

Yes, PASM is not that good in the 718 but excellent in the 981. It's to do with the 718's suspension set up being harder to start with.

My 981 came 2nd hand without auto wipers and auto dimming mirrors and I wouldn't change this as I get to control the wipe speed rather than put up with "Mad wipers" that our last two BMWs and a Merc had. Having the side mirrors stay clear is also good when on a motorway as they don't blind me but I can see there's another car next to me, something I would have liked in my last BMW where they were murky at night.

But, for resale most folks will want this ticked as, like you, they'll have got used to being molly coddled by other manufacturers.

[CaymanGTSM]

_speedyellow_ said:

1. PASM - not really worth it, the car I had for a few hours had PASM/Sport Chrono and it rode on 20" Carrera S wheels which was really good. I didnt realise the. PASM in Cayman only had 2 operations, namely sport and comfort (My Cayenne had 3) but I wouldn't need anything other than comfort on 20" wheels.

If you drove a car with PASM and 20" wheels and it was really good, I'm puzzled how you came to the conclusion that you don't need PASM?

You do know that leaving it in comfort doesn't disable it, it is still adapting and making the ride both more comfortable and better handling when needed? Putting it in sport just changes the adaptive profiles, prioritising sportiness. In comfort it does still function completely.

If you already know this then my apologies, but it's hard to see how you could come to the conclusion that it was not needed without trying the same car on the same road without PASM.

Personally I think adaptive suspension is wonderful, giving better ride, comfort and handing, and have had it on my last four cars, including a BMW X3, current Cayman 718 GTS and 2017 Audi S4, which has the best ride of any car I have ever been in.

Geoff

[_speedyellow_]

CaymanGTSM said:

If you drove a car with PASM and 20" wheels and it was really good, I'm puzzled how you came to the conclusion that you don't need PASM?

You do know that leaving it in comfort doesn't disable it, it is still adapting and making the ride both more comfortable and better handling when needed? Putting it in sport just changes the adaptive profiles, prioritising sportiness. In comfort it does still function completely.

If you already know this then my apologies, but it's hard to see how you could come to the conclusion that it was not needed without trying the same car on the same road without PASM.

Personally I think adaptive suspension is wonderful, giving better ride, comfort and handing, and have had it on my last four cars, including a BMW X3, current Cayman 718 GTS and 2017 Audi S4, which has the best ride of any car I have ever been in.

Geoff

Geoff
Its a good point and all I can say is the salesman agreed that if the comfort mode was on that was the normal mode and so PASM wasnt worth it for making the suspension "hard".
I did not realise its actively damping the car in comfort mode and will discuss this when I do a final spec and place order.

Thanks for the heads up!

[_speedyellow_]

This is what the Porsche web site says:

Optional PASM, the electronic damping control system, continuously adjusts the damping force on each wheel, based on current road conditions and driving style. In addition, the body sits 10 mm lower.

PASM has two modes, which can be selected using a separate button on the centre console: ‘Normal’, which is a blend of performance and comfort, and ‘Sport’ where the setup is much firmer.

The results are tangible: increased driving stability, improved comfort and enhanced performance.

Maybe I will be ticking the box again. Think I'll take a non PASM car for a drive first.

[churchie2856]

Before oredering I drove a 718 T (PASM+20s); an 718 S (non-PASM+20s) and a 718 (non-PASM+19s).

I ordered my 718 is PASM with 18s, because
- big tyres and wheels cost more (20s £1700+) and I could put the mone towards (other options e.g. PASM);
- PASM drops the car 10mm (otherwise 718 looks like its on stilts - too much tyre to arch gap);
- more tyre profile so more compliant ride;
- more tyre profile so less likely to damage a wheel due to pot-holes;
- PASM lets me "firm" the ride on demand;
- big wheels are a "marketing" thing - engineers tend to favour smaller rims.

Mine is used everyday and 18s with PASM gives me the best compromise. Handling is fine on 18s. Plus when I'm driving it I can't see the wheels.

[CaymanGTSM]

_speedyellow_ said:

This is what the Porsche web site says:

Optional PASM, the electronic damping control system, continuously adjusts the damping force on each wheel, based on current road conditions and driving style. In addition, the body sits 10 mm lower.

PASM has two modes, which can be selected using a separate button on the centre console: ‘Normal’, which is a blend of performance and comfort, and ‘Sport’ where the setup is much firmer.

The results are tangible: increased driving stability, improved comfort and enhanced performance.

Maybe I will be ticking the box again. Think I'll take a non PASM car for a drive first.

This is the crucial point, it's always adapting so in either comfort or sport you get a more compliant ride and it actively firms up when needed, e.g. when cornering hard, so you get BOTH a more comfortable ride AND better handling, even in comfort mode. Sport mode just shifts the balance away from comfort towards a firmer damped ride.

It is not really a case of NON-PASM being somewhere in the middle, NON-PASM cannot adapt to current damping needs as demands on the suspension change. NON-PASM is fixed and not adaptive. PASM adapts to better suit all conditions, in either comfort or sport mode. It is also either 10mm or 20mm lower, depending whether you choose PASM or sport PASM (shifts both comfort and sport modes towards a firmer ride). Many people prefer the look of the lowered car, though at 20mm lower I do sometimes get the occasional scrape.

Good idea to drive a non-PASM car with your chosen size of wheels to see if you are happy with the ride in all conditions and can save the cost of the option. Personally I think it's one of the best value options, as I like a reasonably comfortable ride that firms up when I get more enthusiastic.

It sounds like your salesman wasn't as clear as he should have been!

Geoff

[CaymanGTSM]

churchie2856 said:

Before oredering I drove a 718 T (PASM+20s); an 718 S (non-PASM+20s) and a 718 (non-PASM+19s).

I ordered my 718 is PASM with 18s, because
- big tyres and wheels cost more (20s £1700+) and I could put the mone towards (other options e.g. PASM);
- PASM drops the car 10mm (otherwise 718 looks like its on stilts - too much tyre to arch gap);
- more tyre profile so more compliant ride;
- more tyre profile so less likely to damage a wheel due to pot-holes;
- PASM lets me "firm" the ride on demand;
- big wheels are a "marketing" thing - engineers tend to favour smaller rims.

Mine is used everyday and 18s with PASM gives me the best compromise. Handling is fine on 18s. Plus when I'm driving it I can't see the wheels.

The 18's are slightly narrower than the 20's, so should also give a slightly quieter ride, cheaper tyres and probably better fuel economy.

Big wheels are really only for the looks, and the regular excuse "for resale". I've never managed to resist them on my Porsches as I do prefer the look!

Back in 2003 I bought an M3 cab and the ride on 19" wheels was shocking, so I went with the standard 18" wheels, which were the same style but gave a much better ride. I sold it many years later to a friend, who immediately swapped them out for 19" ones. He was a massive poseur!

Geoff

[jimbo761]

PASM is a marketing gimmick imo, tried both and I ended up going without as I have 18” wheels, I did think it would be essential for the larger wheel sizes until I had a non PASM loan car on 20”s which, surprisingly enough, was also absolutely fine (even on rougher roads, and a little sharper handling.) I’d probably save the money unless I wanted the firmer sport mode for the track.