Will actionfraud trace scammers address?
Will actionfraud trace scammers address?
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CoolHands

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23,428 posts

224 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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I woz robbed! Sort of.

Some scummy tt from facebook has taken my dosh via PayPal and not sent the goods (£100, for a minor hobby). And now blocked me. I know his name and town, but not actual address.

So I’m going to report via actionfraud website as online fraud etc but I’m wondering is / do / can / will they search for someone using provided details? Or is it a waste of time? Ie as I can’t provide address they (will say) can’t do anything.

I actually know the likely road he lives on cos having now googled his name + town, he’s got form for assault and criminal damage I think it was.

NGee

2,935 posts

193 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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Rule 1 Don't have anything to do with ttface
Rule 2 Don't believe a single word anyone says on ttface
Rule 3 Don't ever, ever, ever buy anything through ttface
Rule 4 Don't ever admit, on an open forum, that you have broken any of the above rules.

ttface is full of knuckle dragging bottom feeders who have such big egos they actually believe that people really want to see a picture of what they had for breakfast.

Remember ttface only exist to make Marc Zuggywhatsit rich, it's not there for your benefit.

I know this doesn't help the OP but hopefully it will stop other people getting into the same mess!!

TheDrownedApe

1,791 posts

85 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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recall the payment - simple

CoolHands

Original Poster:

23,428 posts

224 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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True. Unfortunately in specialist hobby groups one rightly or wrongly (as it turns out) assumes the other people aren’t ripp off merchants.

Stupidly (lesson learned) I paid by paypal friends & family (no fees) which has no buyer protection.

I know I won’t get it back but I’d like to get a CCJ on his record at least.

NGee

2,935 posts

193 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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CoolHands said:
True. Unfortunately in specialist hobby groups one rightly or wrongly (as it turns out) assumes the other people aren’t ripp off merchants.
Rule 5 Never assume anything - it makes an ASS of U and ME !!

Seriously though, I do feel sorry for you and I agree, you would expect people within a group like that to be honest.

Psycho Warren

3,087 posts

142 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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Doubt they would do anything.

A lot of the time they use different addresses, empty houses etc so they cant be traced. The money is long gone in seconds. And if its a goods transaction, they disappear the goods or dont bother to collect as they are doing a chargeback fraud.

We had something similar in my work. The guy was some well known criminal scum bag. Dead easy to verify it was him and his address on google. Even used his home address, signed for goods in his name then charged back claiming never arrived. This is despite us having signature POD etc. Police weren't interested. If it wasnt for him being a long way away then I would have driven up and knocked on.


joropug

3,055 posts

218 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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Action fraud do not do anything at all other than log the details . I dealt with them in a previous job and never knew anyone get anything out of reporting it to them.

Bigends

6,155 posts

157 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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joropug said:
Action fraud do not do anything at all other than log the details . I dealt with them in a previous job and never knew anyone get anything out of reporting it to them.
They should at least tie up any other reports of fraud involving the same email / Paypal accounts

LosingGrip

8,851 posts

188 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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joropug said:
Action fraud do not do anything at all other than log the details . I dealt with them in a previous job and never knew anyone get anything out of reporting it to them.
I think they get involved if it's a lot of money (hundreds of thousands or millions).

Pro Bono

685 posts

106 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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CoolHands said:
So I’m going to report via actionfraud website as online fraud etc but I’m wondering is / do / can / will they search for someone using provided details? Or is it a waste of time?
It's a total waste of time. The chances of them forwarding any fraud for investigation that involves less than £100k are vanishingly small.

A complaint involving £100 would just be binned.

Bigends

6,155 posts

157 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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Pro Bono said:
CoolHands said:
So I’m going to report via actionfraud website as online fraud etc but I’m wondering is / do / can / will they search for someone using provided details? Or is it a waste of time?
It's a total waste of time. The chances of them forwarding any fraud for investigation that involves less than £100k are vanishingly small.

A complaint involving £100 would just be binned.
Ive certainly had frauds involving low hundreds of pounds referred to force for investigation

CoolHands

Original Poster:

23,428 posts

224 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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Oh well thanks all, I’ll report it then forget about it

Bigends

6,155 posts

157 months

Thursday 30th July 2020
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CoolHands said:
Oh well thanks all, I’ll report it then forget about it
Report on line - youll get a reference, then just wait and see

slk 32

1,530 posts

222 months

Friday 31st July 2020
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I had a similar situation a few years back.

Sky had e mailed me about an upgrade so I called them.. had to pay for an engineer visit which couldn't be added to the bill so laid via credit card.

Lo and behold I got a call a couple of days later from CC company asking if I'd ordered 6 pairs of sunglasses.

The criminal mastermind even had them delivered to his own address!.

Sky wanted to prosecute the employee but the Police weren't interested.. when I called them they simply said that as you've been refunded by your CC company they considered the matter closed.

In the end Sky sacked him but he probably got a job somewhere else doing the same thing.

The authorities simply don't care.

A205GTI

750 posts

195 months

Friday 31st July 2020
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I would never use paypal friends and family to a stranger, always pay the little extra for piece of mind.

I never buy from facebook unless i can collect, only ever toys nothing else.

Just like i no longer sell on ebay only buy.

Gareth79

9,023 posts

275 months

Friday 31st July 2020
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Another thing - join groups related to that hobby and make a post reporting that person so others are warned. Some hobbies have scam warning groups because these people do it again and again.

itsnotarace

4,685 posts

238 months

Friday 31st July 2020
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As above use Paypal full version and use a credit card to add funds, you are then protected by both Paypal and also the CC company under section 75 if its over £100



Lemming Train

5,567 posts

101 months

Friday 31st July 2020
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Pro Bono said:
CoolHands said:
So I’m going to report via actionfraud website as online fraud etc but I’m wondering is / do / can / will they search for someone using provided details? Or is it a waste of time?
It's a total waste of time. The chances of them forwarding any fraud for investigation that involves less than £100k are vanishingly small.

A complaint involving £100 would just be binned.
^ This. I used to deal with them when I worked in a fraud dept for a bank. They are totally snowed under with fraud cases and don't have anywhere near enough staff to deal with them so it's the big fish who get prioritised. 15 years ago we had a £350k case referred to them and they basically ignored it for 6 months, then came back and said they didn't have enough resources to investigate it so sent it back to us. It's probably safe to say they won't even blink unless it's at least 7 figures now.

Fatball

645 posts

88 months

Friday 31st July 2020
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What town is the scammer in?

Cliftonite

8,740 posts

167 months

Friday 31st July 2020
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itsnotarace said:
As above use Paypal full version and use a credit card to add funds, you are then protected by both Paypal and also the CC company under section 75 if its over £100
Are you sure you can rely on Section 75 on PayPal transactions?