EURO 4 convertible
Discussion
Having to lose the diesel next year so as not to pay £12.50 to leave my driveway or in fact go anywhere in the ULEZ from Bromley to Barnet I thought I'd prepare myself for a (un)suitable replacement. Summer has got me in the mood for a bit of convertible fun be it this year or next.
What's cheap and fun and Euro4 and will last a year?
What's cheap and fun and Euro4 and will last a year?
donkmeister said:
R Mutt said:
Not that cheap!
Sub 3 grand. High mileage.
As you have set a limit of £3k, as this is PH how about cars that cost almost double that? Euro IV compliant V8 convertibles from Mercedes around the £4.5-5k mark on Autotrader.Sub 3 grand. High mileage.
ETA did I mention they have V8s?
R Mutt said:
As these are lumps, yet still compliant, I worry there will soon follow another arbitrary measure of how bad a car is based on how many Vs it has.
The purpose of clean air zones in cities is to reduce particulate emissions, nitrous oxides, etc. rather than CO2, so there's not really a reason to penalise engines based on cylinder count or capacity. More likely we'll see the Euro-4 requirement suddenly become Euro-5 (or possibly jump straight to Euro-6) instead. kambites said:
R Mutt said:
As these are lumps, yet still compliant, I worry there will soon follow another arbitrary measure of how bad a car is based on how many Vs it has.
The purpose of clean air zones in cities is to reduce particulate emissions, nitrous oxides, etc. rather than CO2, so there's not really a reason to penalise engines based on cylinder count or capacity. More likely we'll see the Euro-4 requirement suddenly become Euro-5 (or possibly jump straight to Euro-6) instead. R Mutt said:
Why is the LEZ standard higher for diesels then if it's about PM? Is the EURO standard not based on CO2?
No, the "Euro-X" emissions standards set levels for particulates, nitrous oxides and various other things. They say nothing about CO2 at all. There was, from what I remember, very little difference between Euro-4 and Euro-5 for petrol engines, but Euro-5 for diesels mandated a particulate filter for the first time. Then Euro-6 introduced tough NOx requirements for diesels (petrols produce very little NOx anyway because of the way they work).
Edited by kambites on Monday 3rd August 20:44
Jimmy Recard said:
R Mutt said:
Why is the LEZ standard higher for diesels then if it's about PM? Is the EURO standard not based on CO2?
It is not. Euro 4 petrol and Euro 6 diesel have the same limits for nitrous oxides. It's about thatIt's like saying defining a standard based on length but then going by weight instead. But weight of a car would actually have a bearing on all types of emissions.
Edited by R Mutt on Thursday 6th August 14:39
R Mutt said:
But it's the same emission standard, so why would you use it to then extract individual measurements from within that standard to draw your threshold on acceptable vehicles?
It's like saying defining a standard based on length but then going by weight instead. But weight of a car would actually have a bearing on all types of emissions.
I don't really get the premise of what you're saying, but I think something like this:It's like saying defining a standard based on length but then going by weight instead. But weight of a car would actually have a bearing on all types of emissions.
Edited by R Mutt on Thursday 6th August 14:39
CO2 output is basically related to fuel consumption. Euro standards don't dictate this. London doesn't either - this is a problem for global warming rather than local health problems
The Euro standards set out maximum limits for other exhaust gas output
R Mutt said:
Will a 2.0 Z4 feel slow?
Sometimes less can be actually more. I remember chasing a E85 2.2 Z4 coming off a roundabout in my E85 Z4M, and on paper the Z4M was much quicker...however I was struggling to get the power down and the 2.2 Z4 just sailed off into the distance. That experience has always made me think to be fair, and I certainly don't dismiss the slower version of a car anymore.
Jimmy Recard said:
R Mutt said:
But it's the same emission standard, so why would you use it to then extract individual measurements from within that standard to draw your threshold on acceptable vehicles?
It's like saying defining a standard based on length but then going by weight instead. But weight of a car would actually have a bearing on all types of emissions.
I don't really get the premise of what you're saying, but I think something like this:It's like saying defining a standard based on length but then going by weight instead. But weight of a car would actually have a bearing on all types of emissions.
Edited by R Mutt on Thursday 6th August 14:39
CO2 output is basically related to fuel consumption. Euro standards don't dictate this. London doesn't either - this is a problem for global warming rather than local health problems
The Euro standards set out maximum limits for other exhaust gas output
Presumably so we can get the levels down to build more flats on main roads. Can we have a noise standard next please?
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