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Dear All,
It's 50 years ago since I bought my first "Car Craft" magazine (the alternative to "Hot Rod").
I was mesmorised by the effort and skill our colonial cousins displayed when improving their vehicles.
I was particularly impressed when I saw a cousin who had replaced his conrods with those offerred by Carrillo.
They were H-beams, which I'd never seen before, and were stunning.
To relieve my insanity rising from my 100K service, I contacted CPCarrillo and asked what they did for Cerbs.
Cerbs, of course, are not on their list of vehicles
BUT
they can custom make some for $400 a pop.
Anyone interested in a group buy ???
(Jut call me crazeeee !
)
It's 50 years ago since I bought my first "Car Craft" magazine (the alternative to "Hot Rod").
I was mesmorised by the effort and skill our colonial cousins displayed when improving their vehicles.
I was particularly impressed when I saw a cousin who had replaced his conrods with those offerred by Carrillo.
They were H-beams, which I'd never seen before, and were stunning.
To relieve my insanity rising from my 100K service, I contacted CPCarrillo and asked what they did for Cerbs.
Cerbs, of course, are not on their list of vehicles
BUT
they can custom make some for $400 a pop.
Anyone interested in a group buy ???
(Jut call me crazeeee !
)Mr Cerbera said:
Dear All,
It's 50 years ago since I bought my first "Car Craft" magazine (the alternative to "Hot Rod").
I was mesmorised by the effort and skill our colonial cousins displayed when improving their vehicles.
I was particularly impressed when I saw a cousin who had replaced his conrods with those offerred by Carrillo.
They were H-beams, which I'd never seen before, and were stunning.
To relieve my insanity rising from my 100K service, I contacted CPCarrillo and asked what they did for Cerbs.
Cerbs, of course, are not on their list of vehicles
BUT
they can custom make some for $400 a pop.
Anyone interested in a group buy ???
(Jut call me crazeeee ! )
I believe they already make them.. Even if they don't have the link.It's 50 years ago since I bought my first "Car Craft" magazine (the alternative to "Hot Rod").
I was mesmorised by the effort and skill our colonial cousins displayed when improving their vehicles.
I was particularly impressed when I saw a cousin who had replaced his conrods with those offerred by Carrillo.
They were H-beams, which I'd never seen before, and were stunning.
To relieve my insanity rising from my 100K service, I contacted CPCarrillo and asked what they did for Cerbs.
Cerbs, of course, are not on their list of vehicles
BUT
they can custom make some for $400 a pop.
Anyone interested in a group buy ???
(Jut call me crazeeee !
)Thanks very much lads. You have saved me a fortune 
I stand corrected and will presume the following to be misinformed B.S.
"Hi Paul,
Thank you for your email and for your support of our products.
Very excited to read about your project – that is a beautiful car!!
I am glad you send us an email because product you are inquiring
about will have to be custom made and we don’t list that on our website.
I have copied our rod sales manager, Richard on this email and he can help provide pricing and lead times.
Thanks again and all the best on this project!"
I stand corrected and will presume the following to be misinformed B.S.
"Hi Paul,
Thank you for your email and for your support of our products.
Very excited to read about your project – that is a beautiful car!!
I am glad you send us an email because product you are inquiring
about will have to be custom made and we don’t list that on our website.
I have copied our rod sales manager, Richard on this email and he can help provide pricing and lead times.
Thanks again and all the best on this project!"
You might not always agree with him but take a look at Mr Mellings Musings on FB, some really interesting stuff there. This one on the H beams above. All AJP and S6 owners should take a look.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1164584723913293/
Al Melling
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This is the kind of stuff that upsets me, the bottom rod is a conrod designed by me and TVR item, the other rod is a item from a so called TVR dealer, just look at the state of that. It wrecked the pistons, course the rods are useless, and the crank is scrap. If you want to rebuild your engine then as they say only use genuine replacement parts and remember when they who ever offer you a warranty the cost to them is very little cos they get the labour money which is much more.
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Declan Williams
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Dom Trickett
Dom Trickett Chinese H sections rods comes to mind ?
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Darren Greenfield Dakiniewicz
Darren Greenfield Dakiniewicz Generic h rods.....mmmmmm
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Dom Trickett
Dom Trickett Darren Greenfield Dakiniewicz seen more strength in a chocolate fire place 🤣 let me guess who use too sells these 🤔
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Graham Walden
Graham Walden Whats the issue with the H-rod, is it just its an unknown rod or is there something fundamental my untrained eye is missing?
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Dom Trickett
Dom Trickett Graham Walden not enough material on the big ends ! Cheap and Cheerful Chinese shyte
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Al Melling
Al MellingAuthor Graham Walden look at the big end.
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Clive Ford
Clive Ford TVR parts I do believe.
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Dom Trickett
Dom Trickett Clive Ford No Tvr parts only sell genuine Parts 😑
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Vaughn Tooze
Vaughn Tooze Genuine TVR parts.
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Dom Trickett
Dom Trickett Vaughn Tooze China rules 🙄
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Vaughn Tooze
Vaughn Tooze Dom Trickett
Until they eat a medium-rare bat......
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Jason Oakley
Jason Oakley Look how rough the little end is.
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Jo Wain
Jo Wain The connecting rods themselves are good. In a Volvo Turbo Redblock, the 160 hp per piece will last.
You can also get a grip on the balance if you modify them.
Here there is another problem. …See more
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Stephen John Howard
Stephen John Howard There ain’t no oil spray channels for underside off pistons !!!
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Jo Wain
Jo Wain Stephen John Howard 100 points
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Jo Wain
Jo Wain Stephen John Howard the oil accumulates in the connecting rod bearing and overheats.
Gives nice conrod bearing damages.
Unfortunately I get constantly engines on the workbench where the connecting rods are installed.
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Jo Wain
Jo Wain the connecting rod is guided through the crankshaft. There is a very small gap. This is not enough to let the leakage oil from the connecting rod bearing flow through
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Stephen John Howard
Stephen John Howard Jo Wain there will be little or no oil for the small end bush to start with
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Al Melling
Al MellingAuthor Stephen John Howard that will always survive, on the oil churning in the crank case.
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Simon Quinby
Simon Quinby The bottom rod with the "spray channels", does the bearing have a corresponding groove also?
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Jo Wain
Jo Wain Simon Quinby No, a connecting rod bearing is normal without groove. It is supplied with oil through an oil hole. This oil must be able to escape from the bearing. This is called leakage oil. For this oil, the grooves are on the connecting rod.
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Al Melling
Al MellingAuthor No the channel are there to increase the flow of the oil out of the bearing. And course the other rod doesnt have that so oil flow through the bearing is less. These are things that some how you guys should see when your engine builder is doing the rebuild. It is now apparent that they are not very well informed. See my post today re camshaft.
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Al Melling
Al MellingAuthor The top rod is a TVR parts or RR rod . Sorry to say but on this group we tell it how it is.
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Dom Trickett
Dom Trickett Al Melling Way to go Al say as it is 👍
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Al Melling
Al MellingAuthor Dom Trickett thx Dom.
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Mike Virgo
Mike Virgo Al Melling what is the significance of the two slots running vertically on the big end side wall? Im guessing they spray oil to the bore and piston underside and therefore regarded as essential to the ajp engine design?
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Al Melling
Al MellingAuthor Dom Trickett well yes they do but the real reason is the get the oil out of the big end quicker remember these are hydrodynamic bearings they survive by pumping oil through to take away the heat .its no use pumping it in if it cant get out. Lots of people think its to supply oil to the little end and cool the pistons but its primary job is get rid of the hot oil.
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Al Melling
Al MellingAuthor Mike Virgo yes they are as any other engine i put them in always.nomater 4.6 v8 v12 all
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Mike Virgo
Mike Virgo Thanks Al Melling, that explains it well. I had some custom rods made and when I ordered them the agent I used wanted to leave them out!! I realised the stock ajp rods ran well and didn't want to alter the design fundamentals even though I wasn't 100% …See more
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Al Melling
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This is the kind of stuff that upsets me, the bottom rod is a conrod designed by me and TVR item, the other rod is a item from a so called TVR dealer, just look at the state of that. It wrecked the pistons, course the rods are useless, and the crank is scrap. If you want to rebuild your engine then as they say only use genuine replacement parts and remember when they who ever offer you a warranty the cost to them is very little cos they get the labour money which is much more.
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Declan Williams
Declan Williams 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
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Dom Trickett
Dom Trickett Chinese H sections rods comes to mind ?
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Darren Greenfield Dakiniewicz
Darren Greenfield Dakiniewicz Generic h rods.....mmmmmm
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Dom Trickett
Dom Trickett Darren Greenfield Dakiniewicz seen more strength in a chocolate fire place 🤣 let me guess who use too sells these 🤔
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Graham Walden
Graham Walden Whats the issue with the H-rod, is it just its an unknown rod or is there something fundamental my untrained eye is missing?
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Dom Trickett
Dom Trickett Graham Walden not enough material on the big ends ! Cheap and Cheerful Chinese shyte
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Al Melling
Al MellingAuthor Graham Walden look at the big end.
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Clive Ford
Clive Ford TVR parts I do believe.
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Dom Trickett
Dom Trickett Clive Ford No Tvr parts only sell genuine Parts 😑
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Vaughn Tooze
Vaughn Tooze Genuine TVR parts.
- (once removed from Chinese shipping container and put into posh bags)
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Dom Trickett
Dom Trickett Vaughn Tooze China rules 🙄
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Vaughn Tooze
Vaughn Tooze Dom Trickett
Until they eat a medium-rare bat......
🦇🦇🦇🤒🤧🤒
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Jason Oakley
Jason Oakley Look how rough the little end is.
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Jo Wain
Jo Wain The connecting rods themselves are good. In a Volvo Turbo Redblock, the 160 hp per piece will last.
You can also get a grip on the balance if you modify them.
Here there is another problem. …See more
1
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Stephen John Howard
Stephen John Howard There ain’t no oil spray channels for underside off pistons !!!
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Jo Wain
Jo Wain Stephen John Howard 100 points
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Jo Wain
Jo Wain Stephen John Howard the oil accumulates in the connecting rod bearing and overheats.
Gives nice conrod bearing damages.
Unfortunately I get constantly engines on the workbench where the connecting rods are installed.
1
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· Reply · 4d
Jo Wain
Jo Wain the connecting rod is guided through the crankshaft. There is a very small gap. This is not enough to let the leakage oil from the connecting rod bearing flow through
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Stephen John Howard
Stephen John Howard Jo Wain there will be little or no oil for the small end bush to start with
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Al Melling
Al MellingAuthor Stephen John Howard that will always survive, on the oil churning in the crank case.
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Simon Quinby
Simon Quinby The bottom rod with the "spray channels", does the bearing have a corresponding groove also?
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Jo Wain
Jo Wain Simon Quinby No, a connecting rod bearing is normal without groove. It is supplied with oil through an oil hole. This oil must be able to escape from the bearing. This is called leakage oil. For this oil, the grooves are on the connecting rod.
1
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Al Melling
Al MellingAuthor No the channel are there to increase the flow of the oil out of the bearing. And course the other rod doesnt have that so oil flow through the bearing is less. These are things that some how you guys should see when your engine builder is doing the rebuild. It is now apparent that they are not very well informed. See my post today re camshaft.
1
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Al Melling
Al MellingAuthor The top rod is a TVR parts or RR rod . Sorry to say but on this group we tell it how it is.
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Dom Trickett
Dom Trickett Al Melling Way to go Al say as it is 👍
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Al Melling
Al MellingAuthor Dom Trickett thx Dom.
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Mike Virgo
Mike Virgo Al Melling what is the significance of the two slots running vertically on the big end side wall? Im guessing they spray oil to the bore and piston underside and therefore regarded as essential to the ajp engine design?
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Al Melling
Al MellingAuthor Dom Trickett well yes they do but the real reason is the get the oil out of the big end quicker remember these are hydrodynamic bearings they survive by pumping oil through to take away the heat .its no use pumping it in if it cant get out. Lots of people think its to supply oil to the little end and cool the pistons but its primary job is get rid of the hot oil.
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Al Melling
Al MellingAuthor Mike Virgo yes they are as any other engine i put them in always.nomater 4.6 v8 v12 all
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Mike Virgo
Mike Virgo Thanks Al Melling, that explains it well. I had some custom rods made and when I ordered them the agent I used wanted to leave them out!! I realised the stock ajp rods ran well and didn't want to alter the design fundamentals even though I wasn't 100% …See more
Englishman said:
You might not always agree with him but take a look at Mr Mellings Musings on FB, some really interesting stuff there. This one on the H beams above. All AJP and S6 owners should take a look.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1164584723913293/
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Thanks for posting that David. I did, in fact, send an enquiry to Al about H-Rods but I didn't see a reply.https://www.facebook.com/groups/1164584723913293/
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His answer, in those responses, convinces me even further to leave well alone
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