Do motorcyclists still read?
Do motorcyclists still read?
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Salted_Peanut

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1,788 posts

84 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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Do people still read books about riding technique? Once upon a time – when I was a wee whippersnapper – everyone and their motorcycling dog recommended I read A Twist of the Wrist and Motorcycle Roadcraft. But it all seems to have gone quiet on the book front: do people still buy ’em (and what's good now?) or is everyone just watching YouTube?

dibblecorse

7,640 posts

222 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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Still some good books out there, Andy`Ibbotts books on riding techniques is good, although track biased and Neil Spaldings Moto GP tech books are awesome ...

AdamIndy

1,661 posts

134 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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Personally I don’t have the time or inclination for reading books so just tend to watch YouTube videos.
Life at lean is particularly good. He breaks down track riding into bite size pieces so as not to overload the senses.

I’ve picked up a few tips from them which were simple yet effective. A lot of which will translate to road riding too.

NS400R

507 posts

189 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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Time and deteriorating eyesight mean that books are a pita, do I don't generally buy books now.

V8RX7

28,982 posts

293 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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I've just bought TOTW 2 as it was cheap on ebay having seen the (non acting) video

bogie

17,100 posts

302 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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Have read many over the years, especially when doing advanced training. Was useful at the time, all the books good in their own ways for learning different skills

Another top read, applicable to road and track techniques: Lee Parks - Total Control


Rubin215

4,201 posts

186 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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In the same way that nobody buys spank mags any more because of pornhub and redtube, nobody reads training manuals anymore because the internet does it better.

Biker's Nemesis

41,451 posts

238 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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No, never read anything about road riding technique and I can't abide the self righteous tossers that post you tube video's about the subject either.

airsafari87

3,307 posts

212 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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Biker's Nemesis said:
No, never read anything about road riding technique and I can't abide the self righteous tossers that post you tube video's about the subject either.
A f**king men to that brother.

thatdude

2,660 posts

157 months

Thursday 6th August 2020
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Biker's Nemesis said:
No, never read anything about road riding technique and I can't abide the self righteous tossers that post you tube video's about the subject either.
Absolutely spot on. Early on in my riding "career" I asked a few questions on forums when certain things came up - how to deal with crosswinds was my one main question, and the only advice my (experienced) father gave me was to push on the inside handlebar harder if I think I'm not going to make a corner (the bike is better than I am, and that advice has worked many times).

Road riding is all about forward planning, keeping within your limits (always having something in reserve for evasive action) and arriving at your destination in one piece. There's many ways to skin a cat and one persons advice on riding might contradict another persons advice, completely confusing the issue.

Salted_Peanut

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1,788 posts

84 months

Thursday 6th August 2020
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thatdude said:
Road riding is all about forward planning, keeping within your limits (always having something in reserve for evasive action) and arriving at your destination in one piece.
I agree but still like to read and get ideas from others. I’ve had brilliant advice from advanced road guys (Rapid Training) and track day instructors alike. The alternative is making it up as you go along, and that can – sometimes – be very painful!

V8RX7

28,982 posts

293 months

Thursday 6th August 2020
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thatdude said:
Biker's Nemesis said:
No, never read anything about road riding technique and I can't abide the self righteous tossers that post you tube video's about the subject either.
Absolutely spot on. Early on in my riding "career" I asked a few questions on forums when certain things came up - how to deal with crosswinds was my one main question, and the only advice my (experienced) father gave me was to push on the inside handlebar harder if I think I'm not going to make a corner (the bike is better than I am, and that advice has worked many times).

Road riding is all about forward planning, keeping within your limits (always having something in reserve for evasive action) and arriving at your destination in one piece. There's many ways to skin a cat and one persons advice on riding might contradict another persons advice, completely confusing the issue.
So you have both written your advice but advocate that no one should read it

laugh

Biker's Nemesis

41,451 posts

238 months

Thursday 6th August 2020
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V8RX7 said:
So you have both written your advice but advocate that no one should read it

laugh
What in gods name are you on about?

V8RX7

28,982 posts

293 months

Thursday 6th August 2020
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Biker's Nemesis said:
What in gods name are you on about?
Perhaps a little more reading would have improved your comprehension and understanding of irony






Biker's Nemesis

41,451 posts

238 months

Thursday 6th August 2020
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V8RX7 said:
Perhaps a little more reading would have improved your comprehension and understanding of irony
I understand irony but I want you to spell it out you smart arse.

Biker's Nemesis

41,451 posts

238 months

Thursday 6th August 2020
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Salted_Peanut said:
Do people still read books about riding technique? Once upon a time – when I was a wee whippersnapper – everyone and their motorcycling dog recommended I read A Twist of the Wrist and Motorcycle Roadcraft. But it all seems to have gone quiet on the book front: do people still buy ’em (and what's good now?) or is everyone just watching YouTube?
Biker's Nemesis said:
No, never read anything about road riding technique and I can't abide the self righteous tossers that post you tube video's about the subject either.
idiot said said:
So you have both written your advice but advocate that no one should read it

laugh

No, I have not read books about riding techniques and I don't know if people still buy them. I don't watch you tube video's on the subject either.

Please do not address me in future as I do not wish to be dragged down to your level.



tvrolet

4,761 posts

312 months

Thursday 6th August 2020
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There weren't any books on riding when I were a lad; it would all have been stone tablets, and laterly papyrus scrolls.

bogie

17,100 posts

302 months

Thursday 6th August 2020
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If you are doing advanced road training then you pretty much have to read Roadcraft. I did it originally to help get my confidence back after a near fatal crash and 2 years off driving/riding. It also helped accelerate my insurance coming back to normal levels after an 18 month dangerous driving ban wink

I liked Total control for the theory that you never get taught, and many of us never understand after a lifetime of riding. As a rider you dont need to understand how the bike is working, although it can be helpful if you do wink

I like understanding how stuff works, how to setup my own suspension etc so read books on it....I dont watch youtube crap though.

Prof Prolapse

16,163 posts

220 months

Thursday 6th August 2020
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I have read TWOT2. It's objectively a very badly written book, but there's some sound advice there amongst the overcomplicated ramblings of a deranged scientologist.

Personally I read a lot of stuff and watched a lot of youtube clips, on occasion I still do. I like to learn practically but that isn't always possible.

To be honest, I agree, most of the advice is bks. Broadly speaking there seems to be two camps, those who have the talent but can't communicate well, and those who can communicate well but have fk all talent ("Dunning-Kruger" effect in action for that camp usually).

For me that was best epitomised when on a trackday with John McGuinness as one of the trainers/helpers/whatever, when giving advice he goes "I don't know mate I just ride the fking thing", I can't remember if that was him talking to Moanthebairns on here or not... amongst over terrifying things he said to him. biglaugh



V1nce Fox

5,508 posts

98 months

Thursday 6th August 2020
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BN skipped the chapter on how to keep the front down.