Brexit proofing future by moving to DE?
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Hi,
I’m thinking of ‘Brexit proofing’ my future by moving firstly to Germany then parts south after a few years. Plan is to spend 3 months before the 31st December in Cologne. As I understand it there’s a very simple form to be completed (link below) because it seems the German Govt is all too keen to welcome us Brits for the long-term (I’ve worked and lived there years ago and speak reasonable DE).
My question is simply – is there a minimum time to be spent in country because I can’t find the 3 month requirement anywhere on the DE websites but it rings a loud bell. Surely one couldn’t simply rent an Air BnB for a week and get residence for an extended period?
So…has anyone else done this in Germany? Or Spain for that matter?
(My employer has an office in Koeln which I can visit but it would get awkward if I just pitched up with a ‘hello Boxheads this is now my office until the Xmas markets open’
Danke!
https://formular-server.de/Koeln_FS/findform?short...
I’m thinking of ‘Brexit proofing’ my future by moving firstly to Germany then parts south after a few years. Plan is to spend 3 months before the 31st December in Cologne. As I understand it there’s a very simple form to be completed (link below) because it seems the German Govt is all too keen to welcome us Brits for the long-term (I’ve worked and lived there years ago and speak reasonable DE).
My question is simply – is there a minimum time to be spent in country because I can’t find the 3 month requirement anywhere on the DE websites but it rings a loud bell. Surely one couldn’t simply rent an Air BnB for a week and get residence for an extended period?
So…has anyone else done this in Germany? Or Spain for that matter?
(My employer has an office in Koeln which I can visit but it would get awkward if I just pitched up with a ‘hello Boxheads this is now my office until the Xmas markets open’
Danke!
https://formular-server.de/Koeln_FS/findform?short...
DickusMaximus said:
(My employer has an office in Koeln which I can visit but it would get awkward if I just pitched up with a ‘hello Boxheads this is now my office until the Xmas markets open’
As I was asking him if was going to the aforementioned Kristallnacht I was then fortunate that he had a sense of humour and did not report me to HR. Later in the same conversation I was mentioning how nice I thought the old town in Düsseldorf was, to which he said "yes well there was much more of it until you Brits bombed it in the war"
#awkward
Countdown said:
What aspect of your life needs "proofing" from Brexit? Or, to put it another way, how will doing what you suggest in your post, mitigate the effects of Brexit?
Are you a bit daft? Once the transition period is over we will not have freedom of movement. Therefore we will have the same visa application process as the rest of the world to work in the EU!
I work in Belgium and come the 1st January 2021 I will have no automatic right to work there if I hadn’t already registered there.
So he is being sensible if he wants easy access to the worlds largest jobs market.
lrdisco said:
Are you a bit daft? Once the transition period is over we will not have freedom of movement.
Therefore we will have the same visa application process as the rest of the world to work in the EU!
I work in Belgium and come the 1st January 2021 I will have no automatic right to work there if I hadn’t already registered there.
So he is being sensible if he wants easy access to the worlds largest jobs market.
You work in the EU at the moment. AFAICS the OP doesn't work in the EU at the moment. I'm not sure what line of work the OP is in, and whether the EU would provide more, less, or the same job opportunities for him. That's why i asked the question - why does moving to the EU create a better situation for him when previously he didn't need to?Therefore we will have the same visa application process as the rest of the world to work in the EU!
I work in Belgium and come the 1st January 2021 I will have no automatic right to work there if I hadn’t already registered there.
So he is being sensible if he wants easy access to the worlds largest jobs market.
I am definitely a bit daft but seemingly not the only one.
Countdown said:
lrdisco said:
Are you a bit daft? Once the transition period is over we will not have freedom of movement.
Therefore we will have the same visa application process as the rest of the world to work in the EU!
I work in Belgium and come the 1st January 2021 I will have no automatic right to work there if I hadn’t already registered there.
So he is being sensible if he wants easy access to the worlds largest jobs market.
You work in the EU at the moment. AFAICS the OP doesn't work in the EU at the moment. I'm not sure what line of work the OP is in, and whether the EU would provide more, less, or the same job opportunities for him. That's why i asked the question - why does moving to the EU create a better situation for him when previously he didn't need to?Therefore we will have the same visa application process as the rest of the world to work in the EU!
I work in Belgium and come the 1st January 2021 I will have no automatic right to work there if I hadn’t already registered there.
So he is being sensible if he wants easy access to the worlds largest jobs market.
I am definitely a bit daft but seemingly not the only one.
Obviously negotiations may lead to a different outcome - but who knows?
lrdisco said:
Are you a bit daft? Once the transition period is over we will not have freedom of movement.
Therefore we will have the same visa application process as the rest of the world to work in the EU!
I work in Belgium and come the 1st January 2021 I will have no automatic right to work there if I hadn’t already registered there.
So he is being sensible if he wants easy access to the worlds largest jobs market.
Is your registration only valid for rhe country you are in, or all the EU?Therefore we will have the same visa application process as the rest of the world to work in the EU!
I work in Belgium and come the 1st January 2021 I will have no automatic right to work there if I hadn’t already registered there.
So he is being sensible if he wants easy access to the worlds largest jobs market.
And of course, it is all subject to the brexit deal. A lot of Europeans want to work in the UK, and London too. So some non open border, but specific arrangement may come in. As the City will want to still attract EU staff.
lrdisco said:
Countdown said:
What aspect of your life needs "proofing" from Brexit? Or, to put it another way, how will doing what you suggest in your post, mitigate the effects of Brexit?
Are you a bit daft? Once the transition period is over we will not have freedom of movement. Therefore we will have the same visa application process as the rest of the world to work in the EU!
I work in Belgium and come the 1st January 2021 I will have no automatic right to work there if I hadn’t already registered there.
So he is being sensible if he wants easy access to the worlds largest jobs market.
when will all the tears stop 
TX.
Following with interest. It was always my intention to escape the British weather and settle in France, and now Brexit is proving to be a major threat to my plan. I've lived and worked in Denmark for a year and for 18 months in Germany. I only returned for family reasons - I was much happier abroad. My german is intermediate level and I have family living there too, as well as in Holland.
To be a resident in Germany you'll need to prove income and health insurance. If you want to work then you'll need some kind of work permit. It won't be difficult for a Brit if your capabilities are in demand.
If you want German nationality then you must be resident for min 8 years, have B1/B2 level German (B1 for retirees), pass the nationality test and not have a criminal record.
If you want German nationality then you must be resident for min 8 years, have B1/B2 level German (B1 for retirees), pass the nationality test and not have a criminal record.
Terminator X said:
lrdisco said:
Countdown said:
What aspect of your life needs "proofing" from Brexit? Or, to put it another way, how will doing what you suggest in your post, mitigate the effects of Brexit?
Are you a bit daft? Once the transition period is over we will not have freedom of movement. Therefore we will have the same visa application process as the rest of the world to work in the EU!
I work in Belgium and come the 1st January 2021 I will have no automatic right to work there if I hadn’t already registered there.
So he is being sensible if he wants easy access to the worlds largest jobs market.
when will all the tears stop TX.
The freedoms that existed for UK citizens working in other EU countries have or will soon be removed. This will place an added burden on both UK workers and EU companies who have to support visa applications. It shouldn't be a problem but it does add a burden that will likely mean EU citizens prioritised for work in EU countries which may place UK citizens at a disadvantage.
If you put a fence half way down your garden when there wasn't one, your ability to get to the end of the garden is going to be hindered one way or another.
vaud said:
. Later in the same conversation I was mentioning how nice I thought the old town in Düsseldorf was, to which he said "yes well there was much more of it until you Brits bombed it in the war"
#awkward
Guess standard German humour...#awkward
I expressed surprise at the lack of older architecture in Cologne (ironically) to a German colleague whilst out in the evening over there, And he (dead pan) answered "Yes … Well there wasn't a lot left after your night bombers visited"
Oh how we both laughed …. one more awkwardly than the other for a split seconds
StevieBee said:
It can be tough. though!
The freedoms that existed for UK citizens working in other EU countries have or will soon be removed. This will place an added burden on both UK workers and EU companies who have to support visa applications. It shouldn't be a problem but it does add a burden that will likely mean EU citizens prioritised for work in EU countries which may place UK citizens at a disadvantage.
If you put a fence half way down your garden when there wasn't one, your ability to get to the end of the garden is going to be hindered one way or another.
Agree it is not easy, but that is how the rest of the world works & that is the price for sovereignty. The freedoms that existed for UK citizens working in other EU countries have or will soon be removed. This will place an added burden on both UK workers and EU companies who have to support visa applications. It shouldn't be a problem but it does add a burden that will likely mean EU citizens prioritised for work in EU countries which may place UK citizens at a disadvantage.
If you put a fence half way down your garden when there wasn't one, your ability to get to the end of the garden is going to be hindered one way or another.
I'm an immigrant to UK myself, had to jump through all the hoops to get here, work 5 years to apply for permanent residence, wait another year and then apply for citizenship. It is how it is.
T6 vanman said:
vaud said:
. Later in the same conversation I was mentioning how nice I thought the old town in Düsseldorf was, to which he said "yes well there was much more of it until you Brits bombed it in the war"
#awkward
Guess standard German humour...#awkward
I expressed surprise at the lack of older architecture in Cologne (ironically) to a German colleague whilst out in the evening over there, And he (dead pan) answered "Yes … Well there wasn't a lot left after your night bombers visited"
Oh how we both laughed …. one more awkwardly than the other for a split seconds
bristolracer said:
T6 vanman said:
vaud said:
. Later in the same conversation I was mentioning how nice I thought the old town in Düsseldorf was, to which he said "yes well there was much more of it until you Brits bombed it in the war"
#awkward
Guess standard German humour...#awkward
I expressed surprise at the lack of older architecture in Cologne (ironically) to a German colleague whilst out in the evening over there, And he (dead pan) answered "Yes … Well there wasn't a lot left after your night bombers visited"
Oh how we both laughed …. one more awkwardly than the other for a split seconds
Macroni18 said:
StevieBee said:
It can be tough. though!
The freedoms that existed for UK citizens working in other EU countries have or will soon be removed. This will place an added burden on both UK workers and EU companies who have to support visa applications. It shouldn't be a problem but it does add a burden that will likely mean EU citizens prioritised for work in EU countries which may place UK citizens at a disadvantage.
If you put a fence half way down your garden when there wasn't one, your ability to get to the end of the garden is going to be hindered one way or another.
Agree it is not easy, but that is how the rest of the world works & that is the price for sovereignty. The freedoms that existed for UK citizens working in other EU countries have or will soon be removed. This will place an added burden on both UK workers and EU companies who have to support visa applications. It shouldn't be a problem but it does add a burden that will likely mean EU citizens prioritised for work in EU countries which may place UK citizens at a disadvantage.
If you put a fence half way down your garden when there wasn't one, your ability to get to the end of the garden is going to be hindered one way or another.
I'm an immigrant to UK myself, had to jump through all the hoops to get here, work 5 years to apply for permanent residence, wait another year and then apply for citizenship. It is how it is.
Saying “It is how it is” is a disingenuous and flippant remark in light of the many that now face seriously disruptive barriers in maintaining their previously unhindered progression through business and work without any real clarity on whether regaining a few aspects of sovereignty will deliver any counterbalance to this.
This is indeed how the rest of the world works but from what I can see most of the rest of the world doesn’t seem to work very well but this is the world we’ve now joined.
Your comment seems to suggest that because you had to jump through hoops to come to the UK, other British citizens should also have to jump through hoops if they wish to do the same elsewhere. This has always been the case apart from those wishing to work in the EU but this now is likely to be restricted as well, as demonstrated by the OP. Apologies if I’ve misunderstood your approach but that is how I read it.
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