How delicious - New York attorney goes for the N.R.A.
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It looks like the New York Attorney is gunning for the N.R.A.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOgPK1YT-QE&fe...
Let's hope it sticks and I'm sure it will infuriate Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOgPK1YT-QE&fe...
Let's hope it sticks and I'm sure it will infuriate Trump.
I'm no expert on the N.R.A but I understand they are very powerful. The individuals that Letitia James mentions are part of the very fabric of the N.R.A but I'm very sure Letitia and her colleagues have done their homework though.
Although I'm sure it's not politically motivated I can't wait to hear what the N.R.A and Trump have to say about this!
Although I'm sure it's not politically motivated I can't wait to hear what the N.R.A and Trump have to say about this!
I think the allegations are so serious that any member would be happy to see the N.R.A dissolved if the allegations are found to be true..
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-new-york-att...
If Trump tries to politicise the action then I think it will backfire spectacularly on him considering the allegations. Let's hope Letitia and her colleagues have got this right and I trust in Letitia enough to believe she has.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-new-york-att...
If Trump tries to politicise the action then I think it will backfire spectacularly on him considering the allegations. Let's hope Letitia and her colleagues have got this right and I trust in Letitia enough to believe she has.
Yes, the nra is powerful, inviolate even in US politics.
But in having that power they must have accrued plenty of enemies.
Having that much power concentrated in one group is madness for a democracy imo, (and that's irrespective of their fundamentalist interpretation of the 2nd amendment...)
But in having that power they must have accrued plenty of enemies.
Having that much power concentrated in one group is madness for a democracy imo, (and that's irrespective of their fundamentalist interpretation of the 2nd amendment...)
Unknown_User said:
I think the allegations are so serious that any member would be happy to see the N.R.A dissolved if the allegations are found to be true..
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-new-york-att...
If Trump tries to politicise the action then I think it will backfire spectacularly on him considering the allegations. Let's hope Letitia and her colleagues have got this right and I trust in Letitia enough to believe she has.
Friend of yours, or something?https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-new-york-att...
If Trump tries to politicise the action then I think it will backfire spectacularly on him considering the allegations. Let's hope Letitia and her colleagues have got this right and I trust in Letitia enough to believe she has.
Very misleading thread title.
"New York attorney goes for the NRA"
versus what is actually happening -
"New York state’s attorney general goes after the NRA"
Very different things! I'm not being pedantic either. The title kinda made me shrug, but the Reuters piece above made me sit up and take notice once I realised what was actually happening. Hope she takes them to the cleaners.
"New York attorney goes for the NRA"
versus what is actually happening -
"New York state’s attorney general goes after the NRA"
Very different things! I'm not being pedantic either. The title kinda made me shrug, but the Reuters piece above made me sit up and take notice once I realised what was actually happening. Hope she takes them to the cleaners.
Edited by TheJimi on Thursday 6th August 18:09
"How delicious"?
You sound like a comedy Bond villain.
If the NRA get done for being bent, good stuff. And it rather proves the cretinous actions of Trump's allies.
However, same users are always with the "Schadenfreude" for perceived slights. This is why Liberal Metros lose debates. You can't help the gloating.
Try spending more time constructing an argument rather than a "headline" (that fits the Bond villain narrative).
You sound like a comedy Bond villain.
If the NRA get done for being bent, good stuff. And it rather proves the cretinous actions of Trump's allies.
However, same users are always with the "Schadenfreude" for perceived slights. This is why Liberal Metros lose debates. You can't help the gloating.
Try spending more time constructing an argument rather than a "headline" (that fits the Bond villain narrative).
stongle said:
"How delicious"?
You sound like a comedy Bond villain.
If the NRA get done for being bent, good stuff. And it rather proves the cretinous actions of Trump's allies.
However, same users are always with the "Schadenfreude" for perceived slights. This is why Liberal Metros lose debates. You can't help the gloating.
Try spending more time constructing an argument rather than a "headline" (that fits the Bond villain narrative).
I think I agree with this. Aim your argument at the people you are arguing with rather than trying to impress the people that agree with you already. You sound like a comedy Bond villain.
If the NRA get done for being bent, good stuff. And it rather proves the cretinous actions of Trump's allies.
However, same users are always with the "Schadenfreude" for perceived slights. This is why Liberal Metros lose debates. You can't help the gloating.
Try spending more time constructing an argument rather than a "headline" (that fits the Bond villain narrative).
stongle said:
"How delicious"?
You sound like a comedy Bond villain.
If the NRA get done for being bent, good stuff. And it rather proves the cretinous actions of Trump's allies.
However, same users are always with the "Schadenfreude" for perceived slights. This is why Liberal Metros lose debates. You can't help the gloating.
Try spending more time constructing an argument rather than a "headline" (that fits the Bond villain narrative).
What a curious little post!You sound like a comedy Bond villain.
If the NRA get done for being bent, good stuff. And it rather proves the cretinous actions of Trump's allies.
However, same users are always with the "Schadenfreude" for perceived slights. This is why Liberal Metros lose debates. You can't help the gloating.
Try spending more time constructing an argument rather than a "headline" (that fits the Bond villain narrative).
An "argument"? What argument?
And "perceived slights"? Please feel free to show everybody these perceived slights you mention?
"Liberal Metros"!!!! Your just going full on bonkers now! And you even manage to slip in a "Bond villain"!
It is alleged some N.R.A senior leaders diverted millions of dollars for personal use and your response was that! And not to mention the shocking loss of so many lives by the misuse of firearms in the USA, with the NRA one of the keenest political advocates of the right to bear arms.
Try having a read of this - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-new-york-at...
I'll expect a "yeah but Corbyn" from you next, shall I?
Randy Winkman said:
I think I agree with this. Aim your argument at the people you are arguing with rather than trying to impress the people that agree with you already.
Exactly. Silly in-jokes or slights destroy debate, especially when positions are rarely digital (except the nut jobs on the far left or right of politics). Its worse when posters try to pretend to be liberal when anything but. Or claim legal basis, and fail to recognise that throughout history plenty of dictators had respect for rule of law; or used lawyers to advance their own means. Vyschinsky springs to mind.
What this news story actually revolves around is 2 points.
1) many senior members of the NRA are bent
2) either they are too dense to think exposure wouldn't be an issue for Trump OR Trump is too stupid to distance himself in the first place.
Bent and dense in equal measure. Not delicious, just stupid.
Unknown_User said:
What a curious little post!
An "argument"? What argument?
And "perceived slights"? Please feel free to show everybody these perceived slights you mention?
"Liberal Metros"!!!! Your just going full on bonkers now! And you even manage to slip in a "Bond villain"!
It is alleged some N.R.A senior leaders diverted millions of dollars for personal use and your response was that! And not to mention the shocking loss of so many lives by the misuse of firearms in the USA, with the NRA one of the keenest political advocates of the right to bear arms.
Try having a read of this - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-new-york-at...
I'll expect a "yeah but Corbyn" from you next, shall I?
Except I'd already read the Reuters news. Only you are coming across as a prat with quotes from a 90s Bond film. You even included it the the thread title. If you have a problem with the NRAs liberal approach to firearms registration in the US, why trivialise it?An "argument"? What argument?
And "perceived slights"? Please feel free to show everybody these perceived slights you mention?
"Liberal Metros"!!!! Your just going full on bonkers now! And you even manage to slip in a "Bond villain"!
It is alleged some N.R.A senior leaders diverted millions of dollars for personal use and your response was that! And not to mention the shocking loss of so many lives by the misuse of firearms in the USA, with the NRA one of the keenest political advocates of the right to bear arms.
Try having a read of this - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-new-york-at...
I'll expect a "yeah but Corbyn" from you next, shall I?
What's Boris got to do with anything? Again, look up what schadenfreude actually is; it will help you not to drown repeatedly in debates. Well, it might actually stop you posting crap in the first place.
Debating the rights and wrongs of the 2nd amendment, and the NRA being bent are 2 different things. But the twitter / Facebook command centre doesn't allow for nuance, does it.
There are two issues here, the first is the allegations that there has been fraud in the NRA.
The second is the wish by some that this will implicate Trump and somehow derail him even further.
The first point is fair enough, if there is fraud bang them up.
The second point is not going to happen. 66% of people in the US live in a home with at least one gun and as it has been pointed out the chance of overturning the 2nd amendment is nil. trump will use this to whip up the fear that this is a political stunt (which it looks suspiciously like one) designed to take their guns away by targeting the NRA.
I also saw a poll which said almost an equal number supported making it harder to buy a gun but not huge numbers wanting to make ownership of a gun illegal.
For the NRA to have so much money shows that they are a force to be reckoned with and enjoy a lot of individual supporters as well as business support.
This may well prove a bad decision for the attorney but time will tell on that one. Having friends in the States to us what is not right (everyone can get a gun) to them it is a god given right that would only be taken away by force.
November is going to be interesting and if Trump gets re elected will send the anti Trump groups into meltdown
The second is the wish by some that this will implicate Trump and somehow derail him even further.
The first point is fair enough, if there is fraud bang them up.
The second point is not going to happen. 66% of people in the US live in a home with at least one gun and as it has been pointed out the chance of overturning the 2nd amendment is nil. trump will use this to whip up the fear that this is a political stunt (which it looks suspiciously like one) designed to take their guns away by targeting the NRA.
I also saw a poll which said almost an equal number supported making it harder to buy a gun but not huge numbers wanting to make ownership of a gun illegal.
For the NRA to have so much money shows that they are a force to be reckoned with and enjoy a lot of individual supporters as well as business support.
This may well prove a bad decision for the attorney but time will tell on that one. Having friends in the States to us what is not right (everyone can get a gun) to them it is a god given right that would only be taken away by force.
November is going to be interesting and if Trump gets re elected will send the anti Trump groups into meltdown
The impression I have, based on the various failed attempts to introduce gun control in the USA, is that the NRA has inveigled itself into the Washington political machine to an extent that the likes of big pharma and the military industrial complex can only envy.
Hats off to the New York AG for finding an inventive avenue to attack them under. If these 4 individuals have had their snouts in the trough, I hope they get what's due, and that it hits the NRA hard,
But I sadly agree with the poster above that it will have little impact on Trump.
Hats off to the New York AG for finding an inventive avenue to attack them under. If these 4 individuals have had their snouts in the trough, I hope they get what's due, and that it hits the NRA hard,
But I sadly agree with the poster above that it will have little impact on Trump.
citizensm1th said:
Some people on here think gun owners in the states are a single group behind the nra, that is far from the truth a lot of gun owners in the states have very little time for the nra and have been campaigning about the way it is run for a long time.
Even if they are sanctioned, I guess they would just reform as a corporation with new governance and less money.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff