Extending Internet Access to another Building
Extending Internet Access to another Building
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Pitre

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264 months

Friday 7th August 2020
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Old question, I know, but the technology changes, so I thought I'd ask you network gurus what the current best ideas are...

I have a Orange Livebox modem/router in the house and I want guests who stay in our outbuilding to be able to access t'internet. We get only about 5Mb/sec speed (don't laugh).

Currently I use a very old modem in the outbuilding (together with TP-Link powerline extenders) to connect via ethernet cable to the house. It has worked fine for about 5 years, but now it seems to be becoming incereasingly unreliable, so an alternative is needed.

I'm very happy to leave the ethernet connection from my modem/router out to the outbuilding, but what can I connect to give reasonable internet access? I need to have a seperate SSID on the outbuilding for guest use...

Recommendations please?

psi310398

11,112 posts

233 months

Friday 7th August 2020
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I find those BT disc thingies (to give them their technical name) absolutely fine - https://www.amazon.co.uk/BT-Seamless-Connection-Ev... . They reach my outbuildings and ensure that the reception at the top of my garden is solid (200 yards from the house and 200 feet up a slope)

And I think they can do what you need in terms of providing segregated wifi for the guests.

vaud

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185 months

Friday 7th August 2020
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How far are you trying to bridge?

Pitre

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Friday 7th August 2020
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vaud said:
How far are you trying to bridge?
...Only about 25 yards.

Pitre

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Monday 17th August 2020
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Anybody using one of these?

Ubiquiti Unifi.... https://www.ui.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-lite/

durbster

12,121 posts

252 months

Monday 17th August 2020
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ash73 said:
2. What to connect in the outbuilding

You just need a cheap router with guest wireless, set to access point mode.

This will do the job:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ASUS-RT-AC51U-WiFi-Cabl...

You can configure both your standard SSID and a guest SSID on it, the latter just gives them access to the internet.

Or, if you go with wireless mesh, you need a node with guest wireless.
This sounds right in theory but doesn't really work in practice, in my experience.

I had ethernet to an outbuilding so just needed to add wifi. I started with a separate access point then soon abandoned it because it was too unreliable.

The problem is that phones are designed to hang on to an established wifi connection for as long as possible rather than jump between different ones, so when moving between the house and the outbuilding I'd regularly lose wifi as it tried to hang on to the first connection it'd made. Often it'd just get lost between the two and I regularly had to switch the wifi off and on again.

The other issue was that when the signal from the house was having a strong day, wifi devices in the outbuilding would sometimes connect to it, and then when the signal dropped they'd try and hang on to it.

I gave up in the end and switched to a mesh system, which solves all these issues by only having a single wifi connection for the phone to know about. But it is bloody expensive.

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

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265 months

Monday 17th August 2020
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megaphone

11,693 posts

281 months

Monday 17th August 2020
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Pitre said:
Anybody using one of these?

Ubiquiti Unifi.... https://www.ui.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-lite/
That will be perfect as an access point in the guest house.

Not clear, do you have a cable running from the main router? Or do you use power-line?

Pitre

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Monday 17th August 2020
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megaphone said:
That will be perfect as an access point in the guest house.

Not clear, do you have a cable running from the main router? Or do you use power-line?
Yes, there is an Ethernet cable running between the buildings...

megaphone

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281 months

Tuesday 18th August 2020
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Pitre said:
megaphone said:
That will be perfect as an access point in the guest house.

Not clear, do you have a cable running from the main router? Or do you use power-line?
Yes, there is an Ethernet cable running between the buildings...
Ok then the Unifi AP will work well. The Lite comes with a PoE injector which can stay in the main building. You can set the AP up in 'Standalone' mode using the phone App. Better is to use a Unifi controller which you can install on a PC/Mac or other device. You can then set up a proper 'Guest Network' which will isolate your guests from your main network and also allow you to set up guest policies and limit download speeds etc.

You can also set-up a guest portal if you want, "welcome to ....please sign in here"

Pitre

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Tuesday 18th August 2020
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Thanks everyone for your suggestions...

Dodsy

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257 months

Tuesday 18th August 2020
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How much do you want to spend and is there a mobile signal in that location ?

A mobile 4g router is about £120 , i have a smarty sim (on the 3 network) unlimited data and 15-24 meg on 1-2 bars (out of 3) signal strength. If the cell site is cat6 and you get the right router could see 50meg

vaud

59,761 posts

185 months

Tuesday 18th August 2020
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Pitre said:
Thanks everyone for your suggestions...
If you need someone to pop down, install it and test it for a few weeks «in situ» then just let me know.

wink

eps

7,142 posts

299 months

Tuesday 18th August 2020
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If you've already got a reliable ethernet connection to the outbuilding, just add a couple of 'mesh' network points instead of what you already have. One directly into the router, the other directly into the router, but at the end of the ethernet cable.

Just hide the router wifi signal and only let guests connect to the mesh network - most should just allow you to move seamlessly from point to point.

Just make sure the ethernet cable is at least Cat5e rated (not Cat5) and hopefully you've got 2 cables in there, just in case one fails or the end connections are a bit suspect.

Check the router you have in place, has it got all patches applied etc.. and check all connections, are they 'clean' and not damaged, etc.. Is it up to the job.

Pitre

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Tuesday 18th August 2020
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Dodsy said:
How much do you want to spend and is there a mobile signal in that location ?

A mobile 4g router is about £120 , i have a smarty sim (on the 3 network) unlimited data and 15-24 meg on 1-2 bars (out of 3) signal strength. If the cell site is cat6 and you get the right router could see 50meg
Ha! We are in deepest rural Normandy, mobile signal is VERY flaky, broadband currently only about 5Mb/sec rolleyes

itsnotarace

4,685 posts

239 months

Tuesday 18th August 2020
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Cheapish option could be Apple Airport Extreme (5th gen second hand £35-40) for the main house and then Airport Express (£10-15 second hand) for the guest house.

Will allow you to set guest wifi SSID as well

Cheers

Pitre

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Tuesday 18th August 2020
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Apologies for complicating this just a little, but the outbuilding has a very thick stone wall partition and I want the WiFi to be available throughout. So would a powerline be sensible or are there add-on alternatives to the ubiquiti or apple solutions suggested above, which will extend the signal through the wall? Or maybe another Ethernet cable?

Edited by Pitre on Tuesday 18th August 12:07

RizzoTheRat

29,043 posts

222 months

Tuesday 18th August 2020
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Take a look at the TP-link Deco P9 mesh system. Not as configurable as the Unfi kit but it uses powerline as well as wifi to link the units together, meaning they can deal with thick walls well.

Edited by RizzoTheRat on Tuesday 18th August 12:00