Aircraft landing but not landing.
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Hi
I rent a apartment next to the flight path of a airport. A few weeks ago I was cycling home and heard what seemed to be an unusually noisy aircraft coming into land It was what I would describe as a jumbo jet large 4 engines very noisy. Also it was what I have always called a AWAC plane not sure if this is the correct description.
Now this is where it becomes a little strange as when it landed it immediately took back off again circled then came down and did the same again.
Fast forward a few weeks and I was flying out of said airport and while waiting to take off the same or very similar plane comes into land then takes off again with out stopping the same as before. This time I was sitting at the side of the runway so could see the livery which had NATO on it.
Anyone shed any light on what was going on here?
I rent a apartment next to the flight path of a airport. A few weeks ago I was cycling home and heard what seemed to be an unusually noisy aircraft coming into land It was what I would describe as a jumbo jet large 4 engines very noisy. Also it was what I have always called a AWAC plane not sure if this is the correct description.
Now this is where it becomes a little strange as when it landed it immediately took back off again circled then came down and did the same again.
Fast forward a few weeks and I was flying out of said airport and while waiting to take off the same or very similar plane comes into land then takes off again with out stopping the same as before. This time I was sitting at the side of the runway so could see the livery which had NATO on it.
Anyone shed any light on what was going on here?
Military aircraft are using the opportunity to practice a load of manoeuvres, including touch and go landings, at different airports instead of their usual ones at the moment.
For example, as covered here: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18457907.raf-r...
For example, as covered here: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18457907.raf-r...
0a said:
Military aircraft are using the opportunity to practice a load of manoeuvres, including touch and go landings, at different airports instead of their usual ones at the moment.
For example, as covered here: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18457907.raf-r...
Yes that probably explains it.For example, as covered here: https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18457907.raf-r...
agent006 said:
We get A400 and C17s fairly regularly at Gloucestershire airport, doing approach but not landing. I'm told it's because the runway has auto-landing systems (IFR?).
It would need to be ILS Cat III equipped to enable automatic approach and landing. IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) is just the set of rules used by commercial aircraft which are directed by Air Traffic Control and have little to do with landings."Touch and Go".
In some cases, if you don't touch the deck you don't pay the airport fees, or so I'm told!
As others have said, you see it alot at the moment as airports are a lot quieter. But historically I've also seen it a lot at Swansea Airport because the runway is a mess, and you also see tactical training at Pendine Sands.
In some cases, if you don't touch the deck you don't pay the airport fees, or so I'm told!
As others have said, you see it alot at the moment as airports are a lot quieter. But historically I've also seen it a lot at Swansea Airport because the runway is a mess, and you also see tactical training at Pendine Sands.
Norway is one of the contributing nations to the NATO AWACS programme* so more than likely it’ll be, as stated training flights during a quiet time for airports so crews are familiar with alternates, the RAF are doing the same here and usually announce on Twitter what they’re doing to pacify the tinfoil hat brigade
LunarOne said:
It would need to be ILS Cat III equipped to enable automatic approach and landing. IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) is just the set of rules used by commercial aircraft which are directed by Air Traffic Control and have little to do with landings.
Just to add ... non commercial aircraft can also fly IFR. Without speaking to ATC if operating outside of controlled airspace.LunarOne said:
It would need to be ILS Cat III equipped to enable automatic approach and landing. IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) is just the set of rules used by commercial aircraft which are directed by Air Traffic Control and have little to do with landings.
Cat1 ILS apparently. Press release makes a big fuss about it being the only one in the area now Filton is closed.agent006 said:
LunarOne said:
It would need to be ILS Cat III equipped to enable automatic approach and landing. IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) is just the set of rules used by commercial aircraft which are directed by Air Traffic Control and have little to do with landings.
Cat1 ILS apparently. Press release makes a big fuss about it being the only one in the area now Filton is closed.agent006 said:
We get A400 and C17s fairly regularly at Gloucestershire airport, doing approach but not landing. I'm told it's because the runway has auto-landing systems (IFR?).
Runway 27 also has an interesting dip to make after coming over the road so it mimics a tactical approach. Rubymurray said:
Indeed, you can autoland off any ILS, doesn’t have to be CAT III. A CAT III ILS offers greater protection so you are able to fly down to a lower decision height or not even have a decision height at all.
Not quite procedurally correct. You must be VFR to accomplish an autoland in a CAT I ILS because there is no "protected area" associated with a CATII/III ILS system. In addition, the aircraft must be certified for the autoland. On a CATI approach, you can use the autopilot down to CATI minimums and then hand fly down to landing. But, you can't do an autoland in IFR conditions. In commercial operations, this would be all spelled out in the Ops Spec of the airline. For CATII/III the system must be certified, the aircraft must be certified and the crew must be certified. When I worked for a certain airline in Singapore, each aircraft had to have a minimum of one autoland/month. If that hadn't b been completed in the proceeding month on the 1st of the new month there was a logbook entry asking the crew to do an autoland. If we used a CAT I system or any system in VFR conditions we were required to advise ATC so they could keep the protected area clear.
Evanivitch said:
"Touch and Go".
In some cases, if you don't touch the deck you don't pay the airport fees, or so I'm told!
As others have said, you see it alot at the moment as airports are a lot quieter. But historically I've also seen it a lot at Swansea Airport because the runway is a mess, and you also see tactical training at Pendine Sands.
I'm ex RAF and grew up on the approach to Fairwood. Every aircraft I've worked on apart from TriStars has 'followed' me home! Hawks, Tonkas and Hercs all coming over the house doing circuits. I even remember a Vulcan to a touch and go there at one of the '70's airshows.In some cases, if you don't touch the deck you don't pay the airport fees, or so I'm told!
As others have said, you see it alot at the moment as airports are a lot quieter. But historically I've also seen it a lot at Swansea Airport because the runway is a mess, and you also see tactical training at Pendine Sands.
eccles said:
Evanivitch said:
"Touch and Go".
In some cases, if you don't touch the deck you don't pay the airport fees, or so I'm told!
As others have said, you see it alot at the moment as airports are a lot quieter. But historically I've also seen it a lot at Swansea Airport because the runway is a mess, and you also see tactical training at Pendine Sands.
I'm ex RAF and grew up on the approach to Fairwood. Every aircraft I've worked on apart from TriStars has 'followed' me home! Hawks, Tonkas and Hercs all coming over the house doing circuits. I even remember a Vulcan to a touch and go there at one of the '70's airshows.In some cases, if you don't touch the deck you don't pay the airport fees, or so I'm told!
As others have said, you see it alot at the moment as airports are a lot quieter. But historically I've also seen it a lot at Swansea Airport because the runway is a mess, and you also see tactical training at Pendine Sands.
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