Car Breakdown company destroyed my electric car
Car Breakdown company destroyed my electric car
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i3driverUK

Original Poster:

4 posts

66 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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is there anyone on the forum who has experience dealing with recovery company damage to vehicles? (even better if electric)

Saleen836

12,132 posts

231 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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I'll ask..
How have they destroyed your car?

Podie

46,647 posts

297 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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Saleen836 said:
I'll ask..
How have they destroyed your car?
At a guess, they towed it.

TheRainMaker

7,529 posts

264 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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Can you not tow them? didn’t know that.

granada203028

1,500 posts

219 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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Presumably it is an i3 and was towed with the rear driven wheels on the road.

The permanent magnet motor would generate and if run above base speed could over volt the inverter, if the inverter was not properly powered and weak fielding, to correctly generate.

Just a guess, Max_Torque?

aestetix1

873 posts

73 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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The important question here is what condition the car was in before it was recovered.

If it had already been in an accident things get tricky. The recovery company's insurance will only want to restore it to the condition it was in when they picked it up. I remember a situation a while ago where they dropped a guy's car off the ramp and trashed it and wanted to write it off, but only for the value of an already crashed and unrepaired car.

Durzel

12,946 posts

190 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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It needs to either be lifted by all 4 wheels (like those parking recovery ones do) or skates put on the rear wheels. There's no way to put the car in "neutral", so as above if the rear wheels are driven/dragged it could cause damage.

kambites

70,459 posts

243 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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Why don't EVs electrically disconnect the motor when the ignition is off?

ZesPak

26,002 posts

218 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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kambites said:
Why don't EVs electrically disconnect the motor when the ignition is off?
Why would you need a mechanical disconnection there? Just to be towed?

kambites

70,459 posts

243 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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ZesPak said:
Why would you need a mechanical disconnection there? Just to be towed?
confused Who said anything about a mechanical disconnection?

ZesPak

26,002 posts

218 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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kambites said:
confused Who said anything about a mechanical disconnection?
You mean then a relais between the inverter and motors?

Maybe a point of failure that's generally not needed?

Doofus

32,729 posts

195 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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OP needs to change his username.

aestetix1

873 posts

73 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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Durzel said:
It needs to either be lifted by all 4 wheels (like those parking recovery ones do) or skates put on the rear wheels. There's no way to put the car in "neutral", so as above if the rear wheels are driven/dragged it could cause damage.
How do you go in those car washes that drag you through?

kambites

70,459 posts

243 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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ZesPak said:
kambites said:
confused Who said anything about a mechanical disconnection?
You mean then a relais between the inverter and motors?

Maybe a point of failure that's generally not needed?
True but a relay is hardly a complex device. If towing an EV breaks it, I'd bet more will be killed by being towed than simple relays would fail if you could electrically decouple the motor/generator. Spinning an electrically decoupled motor (presumably?) shouldn't damage anything so there should be no need to physically decouple the motor from the wheels.

theboss

7,360 posts

241 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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aestetix1 said:
How do you go in those car washes that drag you through?
Bit of a difference between moving it 10-20 meters at walking pace and towing it at 50mph for miles on end

i3driverUK

Original Poster:

4 posts

66 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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aestetix1 said:
The important question here is what condition the car was in before it was recovered.

If it had already been in an accident things get tricky. The recovery company's insurance will only want to restore it to the condition it was in when they picked it up. I remember a situation a while ago where they dropped a guy's car off the ramp and trashed it and wanted to write it off, but only for the value of an already crashed and unrepaired car.
No issues before recovery. (was recovered due to running out of charge).

i3driverUK

Original Poster:

4 posts

66 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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Podie said:
At a guess, they towed it.
Yes.

granada203028

1,500 posts

219 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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Yes a relay or contactor would be a sizable extra component to add between the motor and inverter. As would be a mechanical clutch.

Induction motors should be OK I would have thought as presumably they will not spontaneously self excite?

Most EVs with permanent magnet synchronous motors would be OK comfortably below base speed 30 - 40 mph. So OK at 20 mph say. Certainly OK to manually push at walking speed.

I guess the i3 had to be rear wheel drive because of the manufacturer's philosophy. Low to medium power EVs only need the one motor and still makes packaging sense to have it at the front. Then easy to tow with the front lifted.

What damage was actually done?

Pericoloso

44,044 posts

185 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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i3driverUK said:
Podie said:
At a guess, they towed it.
Yes.
How far ?.......a few yards onto a truck or X miles on it's wheels ?



0a

24,059 posts

216 months

Tuesday 11th August 2020
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i3driverUK said:
No issues before recovery. (was recovered due to running out of charge).
Plenty of ammunition for the electric car haters there!