Anyone put an estimate on this Reliant Mistral V8?
Discussion
https://angliacarauctions.co.uk/classic/sat-22nd-s...
Anyone wager any thoughts on what this might be worth? Ball park range...…..15-20k? 30-40k?
Seems a bit of a 'bitsa'
Anyone wager any thoughts on what this might be worth? Ball park range...…..15-20k? 30-40k?
Seems a bit of a 'bitsa'
It is entirely and explicitly a bitsa, and in no way shy about presenting itself as such.
Presumably it was the personal vision of whoever commissioned it but who for whatever reason is no longer in a position to pursue that vision. The only way to find out what it's worth to someone else will be at the auction in a couple of weeks. There is no established market for such a thing, so price discovery will depends on there being more than one active bidder on the day. I can't imagine there will be a lot of people consciously looking for such a thing.
It may be worth more in its various individual components than as a complete running car.
Presumably it was the personal vision of whoever commissioned it but who for whatever reason is no longer in a position to pursue that vision. The only way to find out what it's worth to someone else will be at the auction in a couple of weeks. There is no established market for such a thing, so price discovery will depends on there being more than one active bidder on the day. I can't imagine there will be a lot of people consciously looking for such a thing.
It may be worth more in its various individual components than as a complete running car.
tr7v8 said:
aeropilot said:
SBC running to a Ford English axle....... 
Will be fine on those tyres as they'll be the safety valve. People run English axles on far greater powers than that. It's when the tyres get stickier & wider they suffer.I've seen many a 'twisted' English axle case in pinto powered Escort's......which is why you pull them and put a baby Atlas in at least....which is what this should have.
May depend on whatever donated its chassis: could have been a Sabre 4 (the Consul 375 1700 four-pot) or a Sabre Six (2.6 Zephyr engine). And could of course have an axle blagged off anything, not the one from the original car at all. But, yes, I would want at least an Atlas and really a Salisbury off a Scimitar.
geeman237 said:
The auction blurb states “......... on a Reliant Sabre 4 chassis from 1962 (wheel base 90"). .............with a significantly upgraded Ford English axle with extra heavy duty half shafts and LSD.”
Half shafts and LSD won't stop the axle casing twisting like an elastic band from the torque of a sbc, when a bog standard Essex V6 can manage to do that to an English axle over time.geeman237 said:
Mind you, I’m not familiar with these axles.
An English axle is basically what you find under an ordinary Mark I / Mark II Escort. Generally okay up to about 100 or 110 lb ft. The Atlas is a more heavy-duty thing found on a 3.0 Capri amongst other cars, and came in various widths, the narrowest (which goes nicely under a hotted up Escort) being known as a "baby" Atlas.
The Scimitar GTE came with a Salisbury 7HA (early cars) or a 4HA (later cars, including my old SE5a). These are properly strong and can cope with big V8 and V12 engines.
Lowtimer said:
geeman237 said:
Mind you, I’m not familiar with these axles.
An English axle is basically what you find under an ordinary Mark I / Mark II Escort. Generally okay up to about 100 or 110 lb ft. The Atlas is a more heavy-duty thing found on a 3.0 Capri amongst other cars, and came in various widths, the narrowest (which goes nicely under a hotted up Escort) being known as a "baby" Atlas.
The Scimitar GTE came with a Salisbury 7HA (early cars) or a 4HA (later cars, including my old SE5a). These are properly strong and can cope with big V8 and V12 engines.
I posted this because the car interested a friend of mine in the US.
Low weight and very limited grip will help the axle cope with the power of the V8 . If the engine is built to period specs it certainly won't be putting out huge power but in a light car it certainly will be entertaining.
It certainly looks like a period built car rather than a later recreated retro look bitsa .
It certainly looks like a period built car rather than a later recreated retro look bitsa .
Lowtimer said:
geeman237 said:
Mind you, I’m not familiar with these axles.
An English axle is basically what you find under an ordinary Mark I / Mark II Escort. Generally okay up to about 100 or 110 lb ft. The Atlas is a more heavy-duty thing found on a 3.0 Capri amongst other cars, and came in various widths, the narrowest (which goes nicely under a hotted up Escort) being known as a "baby" Atlas.
The Scimitar GTE came with a Salisbury 7HA (early cars) or a 4HA (later cars, including my old SE5a). These are properly strong and can cope with big V8 and V12 engines.
It was also the axle type used by the 'works' HS/R Chevette's, 'works' Sunbeam-Lotus and 'works' Triumph TR8 rally cars in the 70's.
aeropilot said:
Yep, 4HA was same as fitted to the solid axle 50's Jag's and the MK.2 of the 60's.
It was also the axle type used by the 'works' HS/R Chevette's, 'works' Sunbeam-Lotus and 'works' Triumph TR8 rally cars in the 70's.
The 4HA also lives under 6-cylinder Astons, and the diff in 4HU form saw theXJ6 and XJS powertrain through to the end of its life. It was also used in a couple of Thwaites model ranges, but, you know, least said, soonest mended, and all that...It was also the axle type used by the 'works' HS/R Chevette's, 'works' Sunbeam-Lotus and 'works' Triumph TR8 rally cars in the 70's.
That Mistral would look an awful lot nicer if it was still a Sabre Six.
slurpysi said:
So what do we think it is worth, as I am going to bid on it ?
Will it be elegible for any race series, or Goodwood ?
There are a few race series where this would be a fit, but as to being competitive, that is a very different matter. Also, from the pictures, it looks like various items are more of a token of being race spec as against being suitably compliant. As to Goodwood, who knows, if every car that is optimistically advertised as "Goodwood eligible" were invited they would need to run a meeting every weekend to fit them all in!Will it be elegible for any race series, or Goodwood ?
Keep it stiff said:
slurpysi said:
So what do we think it is worth, as I am going to bid on it ?
Will it be elegible for any race series, or Goodwood ?
Also, from the pictures, it looks like various items are more of a token of being race spec as against being suitably compliant. Will it be elegible for any race series, or Goodwood ?
Edit: looking at the last photo of the engine from the pass side, you can see that only the centre carb is actually connected up to the throttle cable, the front and rear carbs are even connected!
This looks like a car that has been dressed to look like a race car IMHO.
My question is how old or new is the vehicle, Mistrals are currently made by Old No 7 Kits and can fit on a number of donor chassis/engine options. The advantage seems to be that for a 'newly constructed vehicle' no IVA is required if enough of the original vehicle is retained, especially if the original engine and chassis is utilised.
Gassing Station | Classic Cars and Yesterday's Heroes | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff