Polish and other European workers . . . .
Polish and other European workers . . . .
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Ex-biker

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1,315 posts

270 months

Thursday 23rd June 2005
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I have a client that has asked about employing such workers.

He is looking for skilled workers with marine, hydraulic, welding, pipefitting experience.

Has anyone got any contacts?

Eric Mc

124,753 posts

288 months

Monday 27th June 2005
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Is he aware of the different legal status position atributable to workers from within and without the EU?

In other words - does he know the work permit and visa requirements for non-EU European workers and, more importantly, is he aware of his duties and responsibilities as an employer?

There are now stringent fines and penalties for employing individuals who are in the UK illegally.

Ex-biker

Original Poster:

1,315 posts

270 months

Tuesday 28th June 2005
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Polish are EU citizens though.

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

255 months

Tuesday 28th June 2005
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We supply many Polish trades to the construction industry and since they joined the EU it is relatively straightforward.
They are responsible for filling out a WRS form (Worker Registration Form) available from the Home Office to register themselves as a UK employee.
The Employer is semi-responsible for ensuring they have done this hence we keep copies of the form to ensure they have done it.
That is all you need to do and then employ them as you would a UK citizen.
If you email me a fax number I can send you a copy of the form plus guidance notes.

Adverts in engineering sections of newspapers are as good as any contact for finding the people.
I recommend Evening Standard for London and surrounding and the Sun for anywhere else. It is not expensive.

>> Edited by blindswelledrat on Tuesday 28th June 10:23

Eric Mc

124,753 posts

288 months

Tuesday 28th June 2005
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I was thinking of the "other European Workers" part of the thread title.

Doesn't EVERYONE working in the UK have to have a UK NI number?
I certainly had to get one when I came here from the Republic of Ireland in 1986.

Ex-biker

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Tuesday 28th June 2005
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Eric Mc said:
IDoesn't EVERYONE working in the UK have to have a UK NI number?
I certainly had to get one when I came here from the Republic of Ireland in 1986.


This is what the registration form is for. Basically application for NI No.

I am particularly trying to find an agency or a source where I can get skilled workers from the marine industry.

I hate to say it, but my client is looking for 'value for money!'

Ex-biker

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Tuesday 28th June 2005
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blindswelledrat said:
Adverts in engineering sections of newspapers are as good as any contact for finding the people.
I recommend Evening Standard for London and surrounding and the Sun for anywhere else. It is not expensive.


Cornwall is a little out of the way for that sort of advertising.

How did you first start employing Polish workers?

Eric Mc

124,753 posts

288 months

Tuesday 28th June 2005
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This is a very short sighted policy, and will be relatively short lived too. Most immigrant workers end up aspiring to (and achieving) the "going rate" in the country they are working in.
Before long these individuals will be expecting "normal" wages for the work they do.

Ex-biker

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Tuesday 28th June 2005
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What can I say, I work in a service industry.

We work to serve the client.

Who was it that said 'the customer is always right'?

Eric Mc

124,753 posts

288 months

Tuesday 28th June 2005
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The customer?

The only jobs that stay low paid are the jobs that are low paid anyway, no matter who is doing them. Obviously, those types of jobs are often filled by migrant labour. But, if you "import" skilled and qualified individuals from abroad, they will not tolerate a poorly paid position for too long.

I know, because I was in the exact same position myself 20 years ago.

>> Edited by Eric Mc on Tuesday 28th June 17:15

bga

8,134 posts

274 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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Ex-biker said:

I am particularly trying to find an agency or a source where I can get skilled workers from the marine industry.

I hate to say it, but my client is looking for 'value for money!'


If you are recruiting in Cornwall I would be surprised if you can't get reasonbly cheap resource from Devonport or Appledore. Wages in those places are pretty low & there is a fair amount of unemployment in those areas due to cutbacks. Many Eastern Europeans with marine skills will likely be looking in German or French shipyards who apparently pay OK.

sb-1

3,355 posts

286 months

Wednesday 29th June 2005
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We are legally employing Czech workers in the factory, they are more than happy to work for less than our UK workers.

Cheers

Steve

blindswelledrat

25,257 posts

255 months

Thursday 30th June 2005
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Ex-biker said:

blindswelledrat said:
Adverts in engineering sections of newspapers are as good as any contact for finding the people.
I recommend Evening Standard for London and surrounding and the Sun for anywhere else. It is not expensive.



Cornwall is a little out of the way for that sort of advertising.

How did you first start employing Polish workers?


Just from responses from the adverts we regularly place in newspapers.
We have used the sun to fill jobs litterally all over the country so it is definitely worth a try.
Because of the EU membership the type of "contacts" which would scource and import people seems to have all but vanished. Im sure it could be worth looking into advertising in Polish papers in Poland.
Using and avertising agency would make life much easier and in my experience is no more expensive.

john75

5,303 posts

270 months

Sunday 10th July 2005
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sb-1 said:
We are legally employing Czech workers in the factory, they are more than happy to work for less than our UK workers.

Cheers

Steve


From the people I speak to the East European not only are cheaper but work harder as well.

sb-1

3,355 posts

286 months

Tuesday 12th July 2005
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They do indeed work harder than our own workers!

Steve