Broken 320D
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Mattiebmw

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194 posts

148 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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Gents, this can’t be right. My 2011 320D has just broken down. Been told by RAC and my BMW specialist that It’s most likely the timing chain has snapped. It’s a common thing, and it’s 2k to fix? That’s can’t be right on a modern car? That they just snap and that’s it? It’s on 112k with full S/H (Bmw to 80k)?regular oil changes etc

pmorg4

791 posts

146 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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Assuming N47 engine, unfortunately it's a rather common occurrence. Similar issue with N20 2.0 turbo petrol engines from that era (I think it's the guides that let go, but the outcome is much the same).

You'll find plenty of information if you do a search.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

In years gone by you could be pretty confident that the timing chain would outlast the engine in your BMW, but that no longer applies to a lot of the more recent stuff.

Scrump

23,947 posts

188 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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Have a look here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_N47
Timing chain problems have a dedicated section.

Mattiebmw

Original Poster:

194 posts

148 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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Yea I’ve been reading up. What an absolute joke. Been told to contact my local Bmw dealer see if they can help with some form of good will. Not very happy as they’ve had fortunes off me over the years.

BFleming

3,918 posts

173 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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Mattiebmw said:
Yea I’ve been reading up. What an absolute joke. Been told to contact my local Bmw dealer see if they can help with some form of good will. Not very happy as they’ve had fortunes off me over the years.
BMW would take another fortune from you to fix this, thousands more than an independent. Don't even go there to ask the goodwill question unless your service history is full BMW without fault. In any case they'll want to see the car, charge you for the privilege, and present you with a huge bill (a lot more than £2k) to fix it - even with goodwill. Find an independent near you and ask them for a quote. They'll have experience of doing them. But it won't be cheap either way. The PH independent dealer guide is here: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...


popegregory

1,917 posts

164 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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Sorry for your trouble OP, I’ve an E61 520d that’s seemingly missed all that and run to over 200k. However I’m looking for an F11 now and not at all interested in running that gauntlet again - can anyone advise if it was 2014 the engine changed and how to make sure I don’t have it in a 2014 car?

BFleming

3,918 posts

173 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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popegregory said:
Sorry for your trouble OP, I’ve an E61 520d that’s seemingly missed all that and run to over 200k. However I’m looking for an F11 now and not at all interested in running that gauntlet again - can anyone advise if it was 2014 the engine changed and how to make sure I don’t have it in a 2014 car?
The B47 and N47 are closely related. No guarantee that you're going to dodge any bullets with the B47 either.
I have a 2013 525D with the N47; currently on 144k miles and no issues. They are not all bad as you also know.

kilarney

493 posts

253 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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You will find its not worth repairing I suspect so best not to pump more cash into it. Flog it on ebay spares and repair and buy a Kia

Mattiebmw

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194 posts

148 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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My local independent. Atlas Bmw in York told me 2k to fix it on the phone so I’ll just use them.

_Hoppers

1,719 posts

95 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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Mattiebmw said:
regular oil changes etc
Just out of interest, how often?

Mattiebmw

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194 posts

148 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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Every 10k or so. I know Bmw say 14 or whatever but that’s to long in my opinion

_Hoppers

1,719 posts

95 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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Mattiebmw said:
Every 10k or so. I know Bmw say 14 or whatever but that’s to long in my opinion
Yeah, people recommend every 9k or so to prevent this happening. Doesn’t seem to be he case with yours though!

Mattiebmw

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194 posts

148 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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Aye, we’ll it’s outside Bmw now so I’ll see if I can get some good will off them. Bloody anoyed

anonymous-user

84 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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Mattiebmw said:
Aye, we’ll it’s outside Bmw now so I’ll see if I can get some good will off them. Bloody anoyed
If it was a couple of years out of warranty possibly. But 9 years old and 112k miles? I doubt you will get any goodwill given the use you, or someone, has had out of the car. Sadly.

Mattiebmw

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194 posts

148 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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No, I was just told to try it. Been told 2k to fix from my local specialist. Not sure if that is good or not tbh. Sack of st really, shouldn’t happen.

anonymous-user

84 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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Was it remapped because that is the first thing BMW will check?

Mattiebmw

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194 posts

148 months

Wednesday 12th August 2020
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No mate.

_Hoppers

1,719 posts

95 months

Thursday 13th August 2020
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Discombobulate said:
Mattiebmw said:
Aye, we’ll it’s outside Bmw now so I’ll see if I can get some good will off them. Bloody anoyed
If it was a couple of years out of warranty possibly. But 9 years old and 112k miles? I doubt you will get any goodwill given the use you, or someone, has had out of the car. Sadly.
There was a chap here recently who got some goodwill from BMW when his chain went. IIRC it was at a similar year/mileage too.

Edit, here https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Edited by _Hoppers on Thursday 13th August 08:29

dasbimmerowner

366 posts

171 months

Thursday 13th August 2020
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This is why I got shot of my 2011 320d once it hit 60k. Although BMW applied some fixes to later N47s (as found in the 2011/12 320d's) I'd still heard enough horror stories for me to get rid.

I checked all the cars I was looking at for potentially terminal engine issues like this when buying a new car, the B58 motor in my current car seems to be pretty reliable from what I've read and it's existed long enough for me to make a judgement before getting one.

Touring442

3,096 posts

239 months

Thursday 13th August 2020
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It's cheaper to do the chain before it breaks. That's around £1300 with a new flywheel and clutch if still on the original.

Hopefully it hasn't done too much damage but is dependent on the engine speed when it happened. It's quite common for the cams to be damaged (bends the pressed on lobes around) when the valve is clobbered by a piston but there are enough good used cams and carriers about now. I have some. Also insist on the clobbered valves being replaced on the affected cylinder. Even if they look okay, they go ever so slightly out of shape and it's not unknown for the head to drop off, thus destroying the engine once and for all. New valves are 20 quid each.