National Grid Fires up Coal Power Station

[hyphen]

And Rob Dickinson et all think we are ready to have an EV revolution in 2020

Perhaps this shows that we need to preserve a sizeable amount of Petrol cars until the new Power Stations are built



https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/aug/12/n...

Edited by hyphen on Thursday 13th August 01:55

[coetzeeh]

^^^^ and increasing global temperatures will exacerbate the problem.

[Witchfinder]

This will be solved by large scale energy storage, like the liquid air storage facility they're building in Trafford Park right now.

Even if you run it on coal sourced electricity, an EV is still cleaner than a combustion engine.

[Munter]

Witchfinder said:

This will be solved by large scale energy storage, like the liquid air storage facility they're building in Trafford Park right now.

Even if you run it on coal sourced electricity, an EV is still cleaner than a combustion engine.

Also by allowing the grid to pull power from EVs that are fully charged, plugged in, and set to allow it.

[kambites]

55 days without using coal! That's pretty astonishing when you consider that 10 years ago a third of our energy was coming from the stuff.

Anyway yes, with wind now providing a quarter of our electricity, some sort of storage mechanism is clealry required to ride through calm periods. Be that EV batteries or something else.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 13th August 08:08

[robbieduncan]

kambites said:

55 days without using coal! That's pretty astonishing when you consider that 10 years ago a third of our energy was coming from the stuff.

We went almost 68 days immediately before the 55 days. The 68 day streak was ended as they needed to turn one or more coal plants on to test it. The test was not necessary from a generation point of view so we really had 123 days continuously where we did not need coal

[aestetix1]

Burning coal far from where people live and where they can capture much of the emissions is a lot better than burning oil right where people are breathing the fumes from your fossil car in.

[InitialDave]

aestetix1 said:

Burning coal far from where people live and where they can capture much of the emissions is a lot better than burning oil right where people are breathing the fumes from your fossil car in.

Yep, I dont understand why people struggle to understand this.

It's like the benefit of a sewage system and centralised treatment facility instead of everyone just stting in the street.

[Teddy Lop]

InitialDave said:

aestetix1 said:

Burning coal far from where people live and where they can capture much of the emissions is a lot better than burning oil right where people are breathing the fumes from your fossil car in.

Yep, I dont understand why people struggle to understand this.

It's like the benefit of a sewage system and centralised treatment facility instead of everyone just stting in the street.

I think both sides are as bad as each other in these discussions... Many are blind to to shortcomings of wind, that you do require peak demand in reserve completely independent of wind thus its not zero-carbon energy even when the reserve is sat idle!

Today shows that having alternative power assets is strategically useful, I wonder if once fully decommissioned in the pursuit of green righteousness we'd not only be denying ourselves a physical fallback, but also a useful pawn against being held to ransom on imported fuel prices!

[romeogolf]

hyphen said:

And Rob Dickinson et all think we are ready to have an EV revolution in 2020

Perhaps this shows that we need to preserve a sizeable amount of Petrol cars until the new Power Stations are built



https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/aug/12/n...

Edited by hyphen on Thursday 13th August 01:55

We didn't have a blackout. We activated a power station which hasn't been needed for the best part of 3 months. How many articles need to be written by experts explaining why there's still plenty of capacity in the grid before people stop peddling this ridiculousness?!

[craigjm]

These discussions are generally fruitless because the argument has two big blocks of fanatics at each end of the argument which means that all the rest just switch off and leave the threads.

[kambites]

craigjm said:

These discussions are generally fruitless because the argument has two big blocks of fanatics at each end of the argument which means that all the rest just switch off and leave the threads.

Anyone who's actually interested in the status of the grid and its ability to match demand going forwards will just read the national grids own projections anyway. They're pretty detailed and well thought-out without being impenetrable.

[TheRainMaker]

Isn't this just a case of the grid working how it should?

Use renewables as much as possible, when they can't be used, switch on the back up, turn it back off when the wind picks up.

Why is this even a story, do people believe we can rely on renewables 100% of the time?

[Teddy Lop]

Can't they use the coal to have some bonfires next to the windmills and create some thermals?

[craigjm]

kambites said:

craigjm said:

These discussions are generally fruitless because the argument has two big blocks of fanatics at each end of the argument which means that all the rest just switch off and leave the threads.

Anyone who's actually interested in the status of the grid and its ability to match demand going forwards will just read the national grids own projections anyway. They're pretty detailed and well thought-out without being impenetrable.

Yes and it’s what the grid is built for, to manage demand. It just seems that in this argument you have a very loud voice from the “they will have to kill me and drag my v8 from my dead hands crowd” who often fail to see that for many electric and short range is fine. To compound that you then have the people who declare electric as the new god. The reality is somewhere in between. This thread for instance is clearly bait laid to drag out the EV supporters because it’s pretty much saying “driving an EV is a waste of time because it’s burning coal” these threads are just the modern version of petrol v diesel and Japanese vs German etc that used to fill up these pages

[jjwilde]

hyphen said:

And Rob Dickinson et all think we are ready to have an EV revolution in 2020

Perhaps this shows that we need to preserve a sizeable amount of Petrol cars until the new Power Stations are built



https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/aug/12/n...

Edited by hyphen on Thursday 13th August 01:55

Imagine posting this ^ thinking you were all smart and had won some sort of argument.

OP you look like a pathetic, desperate fool.

[coetzeeh]

jjwilde said:

hyphen said:

And Rob Dickinson et all think we are ready to have an EV revolution in 2020

Perhaps this shows that we need to preserve a sizeable amount of Petrol cars until the new Power Stations are built



https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/aug/12/n...

Edited by hyphen on Thursday 13th August 01:55

Imagine posting this ^ thinking you were all smart and had won some sort of argument.

OP you look like a pathetic, desperate fool.

Hook, line, sinker..

[anonymous-user]

craigjm said:

“they will have to kill me and drag my v8 from my dead hands crowd”

The problem i can see is that this is what will happen at somepoint, although i bet none of those people will actually defend their right to drive a V8 to the death.

The .Gov doesn't care one little bit about you and your V8. When the majority says "ban ICE's" then they will be banned. Loko at smoking, which went from a wide spread activity carried out by millions to "socially unacceptable" in a very short period. Once more people want to get rid of V8's and want to keep them, it's over. So are you actually willing to die on that hill??

If we actually want to be able to keep our (few) V8's, then we need to move the vast majority of personal transport miles to EVs as quickly as possible. V8's need to themselves become "irrelevant" and in that way escape the cull, to play dead as it were.

So let's be clear, people buying, driving, and yes, supporting EVs are not killing your V8 they are SAVING your V8....... ;-)

[theboss]

Max_Torque said:

The problem i can see is that this is what will happen at somepoint, although i bet none of those people will actually defend their right to drive a V8 to the death.

The .Gov doesn't care one little bit about you and your V8. When the majority says "ban ICE's" then they will be banned. Loko at smoking, which went from a wide spread activity carried out by millions to "socially unacceptable" in a very short period. Once more people want to get rid of V8's and want to keep them, it's over. So are you actually willing to die on that hill??

If we actually want to be able to keep our (few) V8's, then we need to move the vast majority of personal transport miles to EVs as quickly as possible. V8's need to themselves become "irrelevant" and in that way escape the cull, to play dead as it were.

So let's be clear, people buying, driving, and yes, supporting EVs are not killing your V8 they are SAVING your V8....... ;-)

Exactly. I got an EV thinking I would shift 50% of my mileage onto it. It's actually been more like 95%, which is great as my effective overall fuel consumption has gone from very high to very low. Essentially the EV has given me an 80mpg M5 whilst also saving it from all the wear and tear of short irrelevant journeys

[craigjm]

Max_Torque said:

If we actually want to be able to keep our (few) V8's, then we need to move the vast majority of personal transport miles to EVs as quickly as possible. V8's need to themselves become "irrelevant" and in that way escape the cull, to play dead as it were.

So let's be clear, people buying, driving, and yes, supporting EVs are not killing your V8 they are SAVING your V8....... ;-)

Totally agree and this is the point those people miss completely.