Old but reliable bikes
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Are there any old but reliable bikes? Like something from 1940-1960 that doesn't leak oil everywhere, or need someone wearing overalls to keep running?
I'd love a classic bike, the older the better. But my mechanical knowledge isn't great, and I don't want to be covered in petrol all the time.
Any good recommendations? Or is this an oxymoron?
I'd love a classic bike, the older the better. But my mechanical knowledge isn't great, and I don't want to be covered in petrol all the time.
Any good recommendations? Or is this an oxymoron?
Bob_Defly said:
I was thinking of the old BMW's actually, are they more reliable than anything British?
P.S. I don't want anything modern retro, I have enough modern bikes.
I would say so, yes.P.S. I don't want anything modern retro, I have enough modern bikes.
As a massive generalization Brit bikes of the 50's and 60's tend to be bored out pre war crank case designs at the limits of their capacity with OHV heads on them.
Witness Superblend bearings for example, used because ball bearings big enough for the loads wouldn't fit in the crankcase and roller bearings (smaller for the same load) couldn't be used because the crank journals (also too small) flexed too much.
BMWs had regular redesigns and were less compromised as a result. Laverda twins are a good shout too.
If you like the british style bike something like a Triumph Tiger might fit the bill if you buy a good one and are gentle with it. Single carb, convert to electronic ignition, it WILL need more regular maintenance than a modern bike, but all things can be improved. Better headlights, 12v conversions and such.
Would you consider needing to do valve clearances once a year as "unreliable" or old bike maintenance? You need to make sure you get a good one though, because old brit bikes in bad nick (trust me, I bought a project) can be a pain in the arse.
Maybe a BSA B50 (500 unit construction twin) or B31/33 (older 350/500 single) would fit the bill.
OR! Controversial - A 60's Kawasaki W1. It's a BSA A10 (650 pre-unit twin) but built properly. That's right, I said it.
Aircooled BMWs I'd consider to be reliable classics. If you're thinking along those lines - my brother has a Moto Guzzi 750 Ambassador. It was their first electric-start-only bike and they made bloody sure it was overengineered.
Would you consider needing to do valve clearances once a year as "unreliable" or old bike maintenance? You need to make sure you get a good one though, because old brit bikes in bad nick (trust me, I bought a project) can be a pain in the arse.
Maybe a BSA B50 (500 unit construction twin) or B31/33 (older 350/500 single) would fit the bill.
OR! Controversial - A 60's Kawasaki W1. It's a BSA A10 (650 pre-unit twin) but built properly. That's right, I said it.
Aircooled BMWs I'd consider to be reliable classics. If you're thinking along those lines - my brother has a Moto Guzzi 750 Ambassador. It was their first electric-start-only bike and they made bloody sure it was overengineered.
catso said:
crofty1984 said:
my brother has a Moto Guzzi 750 Ambassador. It was their first electric-start-only bike and they made bloody sure it was overengineered.
Old Guzzis are generally pretty solid; oil change, check the points and occasionally tappets and they run forever.Bob_Defly said:
I was thinking of the old BMW's actually, are they more reliable than anything British?
P.S. I don't want anything modern retro, I have enough modern bikes.
An old BMW is where I'd be looking. Pre 1960 bikes will be harder to come by but all the air cooled boxers up to 1984 would be worth considering. P.S. I don't want anything modern retro, I have enough modern bikes.
Bob_Defly said:
Are there any old but reliable bikes? Like something from 1940-1960 that doesn't leak oil everywhere, or need someone wearing overalls to keep running?
I'd love a classic bike, the older the better. But my mechanical knowledge isn't great, and I don't want to be covered in petrol all the time.
Any good recommendations? Or is this an oxymoron?
Does it have to be that old? There's a reason bikers back then switched to CB400s, CB750s, GS1000s, etc.etc. The Jap bikes were better built and are therefore easier to live with now. Does something slightly newer appeal at all? They also have better parts availability.I'd love a classic bike, the older the better. But my mechanical knowledge isn't great, and I don't want to be covered in petrol all the time.
Any good recommendations? Or is this an oxymoron?
catso said:
crofty1984 said:
my brother has a Moto Guzzi 750 Ambassador. It was their first electric-start-only bike and they made bloody sure it was overengineered.
Old Guzzis are generally pretty solid; oil change, check the points and occasionally tappets and they run forever.bimsb6 said:
catso said:
crofty1984 said:
my brother has a Moto Guzzi 750 Ambassador. It was their first electric-start-only bike and they made bloody sure it was overengineered.
Old Guzzis are generally pretty solid; oil change, check the points and occasionally tappets and they run forever.
stang65 said:
Bob_Defly said:
Are there any old but reliable bikes? Like something from 1940-1960 that doesn't leak oil everywhere, or need someone wearing overalls to keep running?
I'd love a classic bike, the older the better. But my mechanical knowledge isn't great, and I don't want to be covered in petrol all the time.
Any good recommendations? Or is this an oxymoron?
Does it have to be that old? There's a reason bikers back then switched to CB400s, CB750s, GS1000s, etc.etc. The Jap bikes were better built and are therefore easier to live with now. Does something slightly newer appeal at all? They also have better parts availability.I'd love a classic bike, the older the better. But my mechanical knowledge isn't great, and I don't want to be covered in petrol all the time.
Any good recommendations? Or is this an oxymoron?
Don't buy one if you want fettling free ownership though!
Old bikes are only as reliable as whoever last rebuilt them. You won’t find any from that era that haven’t had some major surgery.
They absolutely can be reliable (let’s face it they’re unbelievably simple!) but they’ll need more maintenance than a new bike.
My dad had a Velocette Venom new in 1960 and jokes how they never worried about if the bike would start for work the next day back then!
He still uses his classic/vintage bikes daily now and isn’t in any recovery things, doesn’t have a car and trailer or a van. I can only remember having to rescue him once and that was when the coil packed up on his Bantam!
You do have to be dedicated to maintaining them though and ready to repair things that previous owners may have bodged!
They absolutely can be reliable (let’s face it they’re unbelievably simple!) but they’ll need more maintenance than a new bike.
My dad had a Velocette Venom new in 1960 and jokes how they never worried about if the bike would start for work the next day back then!
He still uses his classic/vintage bikes daily now and isn’t in any recovery things, doesn’t have a car and trailer or a van. I can only remember having to rescue him once and that was when the coil packed up on his Bantam!
You do have to be dedicated to maintaining them though and ready to repair things that previous owners may have bodged!
bimsb6 said:
catso said:
crofty1984 said:
my brother has a Moto Guzzi 750 Ambassador. It was their first electric-start-only bike and they made bloody sure it was overengineered.
Old Guzzis are generally pretty solid; oil change, check the points and occasionally tappets and they run forever.Oh, and I didn't tighten a coil clamp enough when I fitted electronic ignition and the coil rotated and shorted out one of the terminals. Diagnosed and fixed in minutes.
I was a lot more flexible 40 years ago, however. A LM is a small bike.

This is an interesting thread, 70's Bonnies & Tigers have been tempting me recently, the prices seem very reasonable i.e. fora similar price of an Enfield Interceptor I can get a decent looking classic that hopefully I can potter around on happily. R69s look waaay out of my budget, although really fancied an R100RS as a kid.
gareth_r said:
bimsb6 said:
catso said:
crofty1984 said:
my brother has a Moto Guzzi 750 Ambassador. It was their first electric-start-only bike and they made bloody sure it was overengineered.
Old Guzzis are generally pretty solid; oil change, check the points and occasionally tappets and they run forever.Oh, and I didn't tighten a coil clamp enough when I fitted electronic ignition and the coil rotated and shorted out one of the terminals. Diagnosed and fixed in minutes.
I was a lot more flexible 40 years ago, however. A LM is a small bike.

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