Patio quote-comment on details please

[xyz123]

Hi - I got a company to give a quote for paving. For what its worth, company is very well known locally and have done tons of job locally with many recommendations on local facebook page.



Below is extract from quotation. It is for around 15sqm patio so quite small.i dont know what depth of subbase they will put so will ask. Anything else i should be asking (looks like they are proposing individual cement bedding which i think is not recommended but i maybe mistaken).



Thanks

[Saleen836]

They are wanting to be paid in cash but are supplying the materials
Unless they are using knock off materials to avoid VAT why are they insisting on cash?

[sociopath]

You're not kidding it's small, it's blurred as well

[xyz123]

Sorry for poor quality image. Maybe this will be better.


https://thumbsnap.com/i/gdHMkmSX.png

[Promised Land]

Instead of going onto a forum to ask advice, wouldn't it be better to ask the contractor for a breakdown of prices/ labour first?

Slabs, how much are they?

Labour, how many days work?

Sub base, have many tons etc.

It is not rocket science.

[smn159]

xyz123 said:

Sorry for poor quality image. Maybe this will be better.

[sociopath]

Depends where you live. I've paid a lot more than that in London, and I suspect it will be cheaper in the North East.

It's not outrageous though in my view.

[xyz123]

Promised Land said:

Instead of going onto a forum to ask advice, wouldn't it be better to ask the contractor for a breakdown of prices/ labour first?

Slabs, how much are they?

Labour, how many days work?

Sub base, have many tons etc.

It is not rocket science.

I should have said but I am more interested in feedback on anything that maybe doesn't look right in terms of construction or materials rather than pricing.

[langtounlad]

And he is taking all the risk by supplying materials with payment at the end of the job.

[trickywoo]

Depending on the slope a drain might be nice to have.

I’m thinking one of the long and narrow inconspicuous types.

[m3jappa]

That sounds a bit rich for 15m2 if its straight forward, which of course it may not be, but by the sound of the quote it is. I will say it does add up though so could well be fair, depending on full spec and actual porcelain being used, might be £75 a meter for all we know, might be £25?

Does depend on where you are, maybe its central london.

Feel free to send me a link for an unbiased opinion. I may well know of them as im on several paving and landscaping pages on facebook.

c20 straight to the earth though? i suppose depends on ground but here i am doing a membrane, 100mm type 1, then 120mm of c15 then 50mm of full bed, we have heavy clay which is very prone to movement.

[anonymous-user]

Sounds fair if they are providing all the materials, and doing the clearance/muckaway, to be honest.

[anonymous-user]

m3jappa said:

c20 straight to the earth though? i suppose depends on ground but here i am doing a membrane, 100mm type 1, then 120mm of c15 then 50mm of full bed, we have heavy clay which is very prone to movement.

That's substantial. Are you planning to park a car on it? (serious question, that's not far off a grasscrete pad construction)

[ChocolateFrog]

langtounlad said:

And he is taking all the risk by supplying materials with payment at the end of the job.

That seems odd. Would have thought most would want a deposit of atleast enough to cover the materials.

Hard to say on price, porcelain seems to range from about £30sqm to mega money.

[MJNewton]

xyz123 said:

Anything else i should be asking (looks like they are proposing individual cement bedding which i think is not recommended but i maybe mistaken).

Individual bedding is fine (and necessary if there is variation of slab thickness) but that assumes a *full* bed - not 'spot bedding' which typically has five blobs giving voids and poor support.

[m3jappa]

OpulentBob said:

m3jappa said:

c20 straight to the earth though? i suppose depends on ground but here i am doing a membrane, 100mm type 1, then 120mm of c15 then 50mm of full bed, we have heavy clay which is very prone to movement.

That's substantial. Are you planning to park a car on it? (serious question, that's not far off a grasscrete pad construction)

Its just the ground we have here in sunny essex. Its heavy clay and over the last 3 years we have had long dry periods and long wet spells which has led to a few jobs cracking due to heave. Not my fault as some of these jobs have been on 150mm type 1 then a full bed, i have even had one crack which was meshed!

You could park a car on it, intact the spec for a porcelain patio is in excess to the 150mm of type 1 on a driveway we do. Thing is if the block paving moves 2mm even i would struggle to see it, if porcelain moves 2mm the first thing you will see is a crack as the joints are so small and its all so perfect

[technodup]

langtounlad said:

And he is taking all the risk by supplying materials with payment at the end of the job.

He's an absolute mug imo. Not taking a deposit is stupid. Saying nothing to pay until satisfied is even more stupid. And putting 'cash price' on paper is more stupid again.

He's practically begging to be fked hard in the ass. If the OP doesn't, someone else will. Can't comment on the spec.

[C Lee Farquar]

xyz123 said:

I should have said but I am more interested in feedback on anything that maybe doesn't look right in terms of construction or materials rather than pricing.

It's a fairly minor point but C20 isn't a leanmix.

IMO concrete should have a layer of hardcore under it.

[anonymous-user]

m3jappa said:

OpulentBob said:

m3jappa said:

c20 straight to the earth though? i suppose depends on ground but here i am doing a membrane, 100mm type 1, then 120mm of c15 then 50mm of full bed, we have heavy clay which is very prone to movement.

That's substantial. Are you planning to park a car on it? (serious question, that's not far off a grasscrete pad construction)

Its just the ground we have here in sunny essex. Its heavy clay and over the last 3 years we have had long dry periods and long wet spells which has led to a few jobs cracking due to heave. Not my fault as some of these jobs have been on 150mm type 1 then a full bed, i have even had one crack which was meshed!

You could park a car on it, intact the spec for a porcelain patio is in excess to the 150mm of type 1 on a driveway we do. Thing is if the block paving moves 2mm even i would struggle to see it, if porcelain moves 2mm the first thing you will see is a crack as the joints are so small and its all so perfect

That's a fair point, it's not a flexible material at all, and finish is key.

[Alucidnation]

Looks fair to me.