How to get Fibre into your home
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I got an e-mail from BT a couple of weeks ago - Would I like to upgrade to Full Fibre at only a few pounds a month more than I was paying for FTTC? Seemed like a no brainer so I booked an engineer appointment for today. His visit lasted the best part of a minute - there is no Openreach fibre into the building.
I'm now trying to negotiate a large discount on my current FTTC broadband...
I'm now trying to negotiate a large discount on my current FTTC broadband...
You should just think yourself lucky that you have a working phone line/broadband.
I moved into my house in March, and still do not have a working phone line/broadband........
To say they are hopeless is an understatement!
Ive pretty much given up now, TBH getting 10mbps through a 4G router is sufficient.
I moved into my house in March, and still do not have a working phone line/broadband........
To say they are hopeless is an understatement!
Ive pretty much given up now, TBH getting 10mbps through a 4G router is sufficient.
It took Openreach/BT three months to reconnect my line and get my broadband working, but that's another story.
I live in a village up a track a few hundred meters from the road and have what I believe is old copper cable strung across four telegraph poles until it reaches my house. That said I can pull almost 70Mb on the download which I think is fantastic. I don't live far from the telephone exchange though.
I live in a village up a track a few hundred meters from the road and have what I believe is old copper cable strung across four telegraph poles until it reaches my house. That said I can pull almost 70Mb on the download which I think is fantastic. I don't live far from the telephone exchange though.
We signed up to BT in the December of moving into our house. Quiet area, 10 houses, with only another 10 or so nearby. At the time our phone line was thought to be from the 70’s! We had a new cooper cable fitted as there were no plans for fibre.
2 months later Openreach guys were outside installing a new pole. I went out and asked what for - ‘you’re getting FTTP around here, seems pointless for such a small area, but that’s what they’re doing these days’.
We went from 2.8mbps to 108 for an extra £2 per month
2 months later Openreach guys were outside installing a new pole. I went out and asked what for - ‘you’re getting FTTP around here, seems pointless for such a small area, but that’s what they’re doing these days’.
We went from 2.8mbps to 108 for an extra £2 per month
Slackline said:
It's even harder as BT don't own the lines... And Openreach won't tell you when they're planning to upgrade an area.
If one of the other line owners, such as Virgin for example, run past yours then it will be much simpler.
There is an area list that gives a clue for some rural locations. Can’t find the official release, but list is on here: https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/01/open...If one of the other line owners, such as Virgin for example, run past yours then it will be much simpler.
If you’re not getting upgraded then you can request it as a custom install, but it often costs a lot more than free.
te service broadband companies.You can force FTTP, but you have to set youself up as an ISP and do it for your whole neighbourhood. I've been looking at it recently - all the costs and regulations are very clearly stated on the openreach website, right down to monthly fees for renting space on their poles.
Starlink will be amusing to watch it's hype and then failure to live up to it. It is to satellite broadband what WAP was to mobile broadband.
Starlink will be amusing to watch it's hype and then failure to live up to it. It is to satellite broadband what WAP was to mobile broadband.
eein said:
You can force FTTP, but you have to set youself up as an ISP and do it for your whole neighbourhood. I've been looking at it recently - all the costs and regulations are very clearly stated on the openreach website, right down to monthly fees for renting space on their poles.
Interesting... I had a quick look and couldn't see any info on this, do you have a link please?Slackline said:
eein said:
You can force FTTP, but you have to set youself up as an ISP and do it for your whole neighbourhood. I've been looking at it recently - all the costs and regulations are very clearly stated on the openreach website, right down to monthly fees for renting space on their poles.
Interesting... I had a quick look and couldn't see any info on this, do you have a link please?I get the impression, Openreach want local businesses to pocket the cost and Openreach buy up the remnants (for very cheap or free) when they go bust.
The pole rental stuff looks to be a key part of it, once company goes bust, all the fibre is sat on poles building up rent debt, Openreach offer to administrators, give us the infrastructure and we'll wipe out the debt.
Slackline said:
eein said:
You can force FTTP, but you have to set youself up as an ISP and do it for your whole neighbourhood. I've been looking at it recently - all the costs and regulations are very clearly stated on the openreach website, right down to monthly fees for renting space on their poles.
Interesting... I had a quick look and couldn't see any info on this, do you have a link please?https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/communit...
Then you can root around their website and somewhere there's pdfs will the detailed charges to rent all the things you need.
It's not particularly simple - you need to know all the things you need. And you have to set it up on a community level, so you're really setting up a business. Like all businesses there'd be hard work, need for some knowledge. It's not a scam by openreach, it is how they help avoid more regulation by showing ofcom that anyone can do it themselves, and the few that do help contribute to their targets.
When I looked at it earlier in the year (good lockdown activity) I reckoned I could set up a small community for about £50k, not including labour. I have the knowledge though which is a bit of an advantage and something I wouldn't have to pay for. I didn't get round to working out what I'd need to charge others to cover the ongoing costs.
Then I got a bit carried away and worked out that if I increase the initial outlay to approx £100k I could wire everyone up with 1:1 100Gbps connections! I was wondering whether I could set a world record for broadband. Of course no-one would actually get that speed on real activities as the connection into the network in the exchange would not be anything like that. But details like that don't stop all the ISPs claiming all sorts of mis-represented numbers.
It's a shame more people don't do this as it'd really help get broadband out there. The US really took to this with their 'mom and pop ISP' culture (there's 100k's of them in the US).
eein said:
Slackline said:
eein said:
You can force FTTP, but you have to set youself up as an ISP and do it for your whole neighbourhood. I've been looking at it recently - all the costs and regulations are very clearly stated on the openreach website, right down to monthly fees for renting space on their poles.
Interesting... I had a quick look and couldn't see any info on this, do you have a link please?https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/communit...
Then you can root around their website and somewhere there's pdfs will the detailed charges to rent all the things you need.
It's not particularly simple - you need to know all the things you need. And you have to set it up on a community level, so you're really setting up a business. Like all businesses there'd be hard work, need for some knowledge. It's not a scam by openreach, it is how they help avoid more regulation by showing ofcom that anyone can do it themselves, and the few that do help contribute to their targets.
When I looked at it earlier in the year (good lockdown activity) I reckoned I could set up a small community for about £50k, not including labour. I have the knowledge though which is a bit of an advantage and something I wouldn't have to pay for. I didn't get round to working out what I'd need to charge others to cover the ongoing costs.
Then I got a bit carried away and worked out that if I increase the initial outlay to approx £100k I could wire everyone up with 1:1 100Gbps connections! I was wondering whether I could set a world record for broadband. Of course no-one would actually get that speed on real activities as the connection into the network in the exchange would not be anything like that. But details like that don't stop all the ISPs claiming all sorts of mis-represented numbers.
It's a shame more people don't do this as it'd really help get broadband out there. The US really took to this with their 'mom and pop ISP' culture (there's 100k's of them in the US).
https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/duc...
the pages around that part of the site have lots of good info.
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