Quarantined staff payment of wages?
Quarantined staff payment of wages?
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911gone

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207 posts

104 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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Are there any rules on this issue?

A friend of mine was on holiday in France when the current quarantine rules came into effect. His employer has told him that he will not be paid, as it was a known risk when he left the UK.


Matt_E_Mulsion

1,746 posts

94 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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Well if he hasn't got the quarantined time booked off as holiday too, and he isn't technically off sick, and he doesn't turn up for work for the quarantine period, why should the employer have to be out of pocket and pay him?

(Subject to contractural terms and conditions).

Far Cough

2,481 posts

197 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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911gone said:
Are there any rules on this issue?

A friend of mine was on holiday in France when the current quarantine rules came into effect. His employer has told him that he will not be paid, as it was a known risk when he left the UK.
Roll the dice during a pandemic and take a chance....... your friend lost.

Mark8815

205 posts

111 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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Why would they pay them? They chose to go knowing the risks.

Nickbrapp

5,277 posts

159 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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No but they should at least give the option for them to take it as anual leave

paradigital

1,100 posts

181 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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I think anyone willing to get on a plane at the moment is gambling with a lot more than just an increased risk of quarantine upon return.

I really don’t understand the desire right now. We were meant to be in Florida at the moment, but obviously aren’t, I’ve no desire at all to replace that with a trip to mainland Europe.

ChocolateFrog

34,954 posts

202 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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Tough titties.

It wasn't even remotely unforseen. We booked a UK holiday cottage back in May, largely for this reason. I couldn't give a toss about the virus and I still think you have to be slightly mental to get on a plane to another country this year.

Buster73

5,608 posts

182 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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Nickbrapp said:
No but they should at least give the option for them to take it as anual leave
Assuming he has enough left to cover it ?

sawman

5,166 posts

259 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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annual leave or unpaid leave in the nhs, and a slapped leg for breaching the 6 week notice for the booking of leave rule

edc

9,613 posts

280 months

911gone

Original Poster:

207 posts

104 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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Teddy Lop

8,301 posts

96 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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ChocolateFrog said:
Tough titties.

It wasn't even remotely unforseen. We booked a UK holiday cottage back in May, largely for this reason. I couldn't give a toss about the virus and I still think you have to be slightly mental to get on a plane to another country this year.
^this. Sick of hearing how hard done by people make themselves out to be when the world doesn't accommodate their every whim.

Millions of us have reluctantly opted to reign in our travel plans to avoid such issues, my mrs waved farewell to a £1500 airfare just when all this was kicking off (Australia actually announced a 2 week quarantine while she would have been in the air for what was supposed to be a 3 week family visit)

we had a short break in the peak district recently... Had a couple of incidences of Mr big trying to big talk his big arse and big arsed family into the strickly-pre-booked-only attractions. I wonder who these people are? You often see them on holidays, trying to impose their will. Small business owners who "get their way" most of the time?

Terminator X

20,429 posts

233 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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Surely the vast majority of quarantined people can / will just WFH?

TX.

Turn7

25,670 posts

250 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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Terminator X said:
Surely the vast majority of quarantined people can / will just WFH?

TX.
Bit of a sweeping statement there TX......

V8 Stang

4,506 posts

212 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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Terminator X said:
Surely the vast majority of quarantined people can / will just WFH?

TX.
Does the vast majority have the ability to WFH??

It may be the case on this forum that the majority are either IT nerds or high level management, so they can WFH.

But in the real world i highly doubt the majority are in these types of jobs??

Terminator X

20,429 posts

233 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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Turn7 said:
Terminator X said:
Surely the vast majority of quarantined people can / will just WFH?

TX.
Bit of a sweeping statement there TX......
Well all the office wallahs could in theory WFH. If you work in a shop I guess not. What about the OP can this person WFH? If so were they offered that as an alternative?

TX.

MG CHRIS

9,322 posts

196 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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2 of the people in work have gone on holiday one last week one this week both to turkey. The tales of the one who is back about the restriction wearing a mask in the plane for 4hrs or anytime outside of the resort its not something im keen to rush to into tbh. I so want turkey to be added so the other person has too isolate for 2 weeks just because of said person attitude.
The person response too the question posed what if turkey gets added the reply who is going to check and im coming in.
The rule with us is you take the risk you either keep holidays back to use in that cases or no pay. Personally think its pretty selfish to be going on holiday abroad right now not least for your co workers who have decided too not go/have cancelled plans etc but that individuals response to this.

loskie

7,080 posts

149 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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Non essential travel was still advised against IIRC. A foreign holiday IS NOT ESSENTIAL. My employer is allowing these folks to WFH in what is a field based job, putting a greater burden on the rest of us. Not acceptable in my view.

911gone

Original Poster:

207 posts

104 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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Terminator X said:
Well all the office wallahs could in theory WFH. If you work in a shop I guess not. What about the OP can this person WFH? If so were they offered that as an alternative?

TX.
No he can't WFH, he's a tyre fitter for one of the well known companies.

The reason I asked whether any clear rules are in place is as follows;

Before going on holiday, friend phones area manager to discuss, concerned that there is a potential risk of quarantine. Area manager tells friend to go and enjoy his holiday and not to worry. After all, ha says, employee's who were in Spain when their quarantine was imposed got paid. Shame he never got that in writing, verbal contract and all that...

So he went on holiday. He worked the entire time his depot was open during the lock down period and pretty much kept the place going single handedly.







Chester draws

1,412 posts

139 months

Saturday 22nd August 2020
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Surely if it's a national company then they'll have clearly set out their rules for this type of thing? Via the company intranet? Website? Internal social media?

I work for a national supermarket. I think they got caught out when Spain went on the quarantine list 'unexpectedly'. Subsequently, they set a date up to which anyone abroad when the rules changed would be paid if they had to quarantine, after that date it would be deemed a known event and unpaid, (or holiday, or make up the hours etc.).

Just because the Area Manager said, doesn't mean that that is the case.

Edited by Chester draws on Saturday 22 August 23:04